Our pastor uses the term "plunder the Egyptians" a lot. I am not exactly sure what is meant by this, and since he has used it so long I am now embarrassed to ask what he means by the phrase whenever he mentions it.
I think it has something to do with using the secular world to achieve sacred objectives. In this case, using taxpayer money (even though the people sending their kids to WELS schools are usually tax payers) is sort of like plundering the Egyptians.
Back in ancient times when I was in WELS schools, it was a source of pride that WELS did NOT accept public money.
I guess maybe this has changed?
Our WELS teachers would often critically point out that Roman Catholic school children would often have "Vote Yes" stickers on their book bags for various proposals which would allow parochial schools access to public funds.
So I guess we are now supposed to plunder the Egyptians?
On their way out of slavery in Egypt, the Israelites boldly asked the Egyptians for their finest goods (plundering the Egyptians). In other words, they actually had to walk up to the Egyptians and ask them for things.
Ironically, our pastor does not believe in walking the neighborhood and canvassing potential members.
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GJ - The term was used by St. Augustine, but more recently by Larry Crab, one of the favorites of Fuller Seminary. David Valleskey, former president of The Sausage Factory, used the term "spoiling the Egyptians" to say we needed the gold and precious jewels of Fuller Seminary, his alma mater, in WELS.
I pointed out to Valleskey, when he gave the paper, that the Israelites stole the gold and jewels from the Egyptians, not their garbage. He scowled. Later he claimed I never talked to him about his essay.
So I imagine the pastor is simply echoing Valleskey. One of the ELS professors gave his Amen Halleluia chorus paper on Church Growth by quoting Valleskey quoting Crab. Nothing is new or original in the Church Growth Movement. Even Craig Groeschel admits cobbing from Andy Stanley, and everyone cool borrows heavily from both of them.
Valleskey's essay would been more accurate if it had been titled "Figs From Thistles," but that was what I called my response to his false doctrine.
Tuesday, March 3, 2009
Plundering or Spoiling the Egyptians
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"Ironically, our pastor does not believe in walking the neighborhood and canvassing potential members. "
Why not? Why is there a "build it and they will come" theory when it comes to church. Didn't the bible say "GO and make disciples" GO is an action word. God did not say build a church and see who happens to walk in the doors. This isn't the ark, where the animals miraculously came to Noah.
We don't know how the Lord plans to use us to bring his lost children to him. It may be from a knock at the door. My church's policy was to ask if they had a home church and were they happy with the church, recognizing that yes not just WELS members are going to heaven. If they had a home church we said, nice day and if they wanted more info we gave them our packet. It was more of a social, hi we are your neighbors and feel free to come check us out.
Hopefully, we didn't put pressure on anyone and we only canvased the area every few years. Why not?
Boromir Theology
Isn't arguing that we can "plunder the Egyptians" kind of like Boromir arguing that the good guys can use Bilbo's magic ring of power to defeat Sauron?
"No" Gandolf maintained.
If we use Fuller practice--even while trying to hold true to Lutheran theology we will without a doubt eventually adopt Fuller theology and practice...
Ski does remind me of a manic Gollum...
Jeske (I know) comes across exactly like Saruman
"Plunder the Egyptians" is widely used to describe taking what is good and leaving what is bad from outside our fellowship. However, those who use the phrase seem to forget that, before some of the "plunder" was apparently used to build the tabernacle -- at God's command, its firstfruits appear to have been used to build a golden calf which was worshiped by those who spoiled the Egyptians. Of course, many were later forced to drink its powder down with water and let it pass through their system as total loss.
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