Anyone from Church and Chicanery can identify all the photos "outside the framework of fellowship," a new way of excusing blatant unionism. They include: C. Peter Wagner, Archbishop Weakland, Andy Stanley, Donald McGavran, Craig Groeschel, Mark Driscoll, Ed Stetzer, Bill Hybels, Leonard Sweet. Wagner begins the big circle on the right, clockwise. Stetzer begins the smaller circle inside.
To keep the information less cluttered, take note of how WELS leaders have worshiped with and studied under these false teachers:
- C. Peter Wagner - Reuel Schulz recommended Wagner in WELS' perfidious TELL tabloid.
- Wisconsin Lutheran College featured the famous homosexual Catholic archbishop. R. Weakland, as the keynote speaker at their college, with some priests added for other lectures. Bethany Lutheran Seminary dedicated a building with a Roman Catholic ex-bishop marching in a religious procession (robed ELS clergy) and speaking at a Little Sect on the Prairie service.
- At least seven (7) WELS pastors and Katie have studied with Andy Stanley at the Drive conferences. Glende, Ski, and Buske are named on Ski's blog. Katie numbered four (4) others but failed to name them.
- Donald McGavran or his faculty taught Larry Olson (MLC professor), David Valleskey (former Sausage Factory president), F. Bivens (Sausage Factory VP), all the world and American missions people in WELS and the ELS.
- Craig Groeschel trained Ski (who hasn't) and doubtless some others. Craig produces the content for many WELS sermons, plus sermons of various denominations. The lazy pastors even follow the same order (pride is #3 for The Sickness Within). Doebler uses Groeschel too, perhaps the reason attendance has exploded to 30 after only 3 years.
- Mars Hill in Seattle (Driscoll) is big in WELS right now. Ski, Katie, and Glende were in Seattle for a "pastor conference" but the actual heretic was not named. It was graduation week for WELS, so it was not a WELS conference. WELS pastors ape Driscoll too.
- VP Don Patterson organized a troop of WELS church workers to attend Exponential, another Schwaermer Hootenanny, where Stetzer was featured. Soon after he Tweeted and blogged that WELS Church and Change hired him for their November, 2009 conference. Since that time C and C was forced to unhire him, which means they paid a kill fee for the insult.
- Hybels at Willow Creek is so cool that WELS skimmed offering money to send mission pastors to his shipwreck to learn how to be better Schwaermer.
- Leonard Sweet-hearts abound in C and C. Kelm got behind a conference featuring him, refusing to discuss how polarizing the invitation was. Sweet is not a heretic. He is an blatant pagan, a strutting peacock who tells Shrinkers what they want to hear.
Try to imagine the millions of synodical dollars wasted on these popinjays. That sum would include all the salaries paid to false teachers (and their silent enablers) at The Sausage Factory, The Love Shack, and the Conference of Pussycats. They devour the goods and widows and orphans, demanding more money for "the work of the Lord."
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Crocodile Tears from Real Crocks":
anon 5:55 am
Just what do you know about Church and Change besides what Jackson spews out? Have you been to a conference? Have you talked with any members of the board?
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"anon 5:55 am
Just what do you know about Church and Change besides what Jackson spews out? Have you been to a conference? Have you talked with any members of the board?"
Evidently some people think attending a conference or listening the excuses of board members turns wrong into right. Duplicity and deception remain wrong. Dancing at communion with Babtists remains wrong. So what is your point?
The entitlement mentality of pastors and leaders has ruined WELS. For some reason they think that as long as they say it is for the Work of the Lord they have a right to whatever they can cajole or browbeat out of members. Since that is never enough, they can leverage whatever they get and stick the members with the bill. There are other names for this ______________.
Time to stop the waste, or stop the support. This not a both/and.
anon 10:39
You have proved my point. You and the other Ichabod zombies are so predictable. You have no intentions of talking with anyone associated with Church and Change. Your only interest is to tear apart that which you have no knowledge of other than what Jackson wants you to know...which is far from the truth.
The reasoning of WELS leaders is frequently short-circuited by their 'slides' (a CIA term).
I HAVE talked with Church and Changers. Pastor Jackson IS CORRECT in his information.
The whining of the C&Cers is simply because their true agenda is being exposed. They are exposed because of their own words and actions. They love to travel to the reformed trough to feed. They enjoy their safari hunts as missionaries are sent packing.
The Changers are on the ropes. They tried to take control byplanting Kelm at HQ.
They sent Gurgel down to Texas. As Alabama sings, "if you're gonna do church in Texas ya gotta have a rock and roll band." A few free grants, free vicars, and free staffers helps too.
anon 4:39 pm
You just proved another point. Jackson's hatred has infiltrated your brain. That is how zombie leaders work you know. Oh, and by way, Jackson is not a pastor. That is another lie.
Anon,
June 2, 2009 2:55 PM
You are right. We mark and avoid in keeping with Scripture.
Yes, consider all the money that has been wasted on this crapola over the years. Millions that would now be employing church workers instead of laying them off. I agree with the person who said said stop the waste of stop the support. Personally for me, I stopped the support about a year ago.
Ask all those church workers recently 'laid off' or those graduates that didn't receive calls how synod's waste of millions of dollars is working for them.
WELS leaders so often remind me of Jethro playing brain surgeon on The Beverly Hillbillies. They have no idea what they don't know!
It's almost like the government running GM. People who have no business being in charge- are! I pray for President Schroeder. He has his work cut out for him.
Look at the false doctrine the cat dragged in. He is so proud of himself.
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