Both schools are on double secret probation.
Tim Rossow - <--Mequon grads, left click on the link
As I read the opening editorial in the most recent Concordia Journal (page 10 or 346 here) from the St. Louis Seminary I was pleased to find the president, Dale Meyer, defending residency seminary education. He writes a stirring description of life for seminarians in an urban setting at the St. Louis campus and it is worth the read.
This is quite ironic (or maybe purposeful) since just last week President Kieschnick met with President Meyer and President Wenthe in Ft. Wayne to noodle the idea of closing down the seminaries and instead remaking pastoral education to be done in some sort of drive-by style combination of on-line courses and a few seminars at one of the Concordias, colleges that is, not seminaries.
Kudos to President Meyer. We have been critical of the seminaries, joining in with our cartoonist Scott Blazek in referring to the seminary professors as dust bunnies. In this editorial however, President Meyer takes an excellent stand on a timely issue. We would appreciate Dale Meyer being a little more direct. He never mentions the threat of closing down the seminaries but clearly this is a defense of on-site, residency based seminary education.
This is an important issue. How would you like your doctor to perform surgery on you based on a few on-line courses? If your MD messes up you only pay for it temporally. How would you like your pastor to operate on your soul based on a few on-line courses? If your M Div messes up you pay for it for eternity. (M Div refers to the Master of Divinity degree awarded to seminary graduates.)
There were some troubling aspects to the editorial. President Meyer announced a new program of joint work with the adjacent Fontbonne College. That is fine except that it is a Roman Catholic school To his credit President Meyer is quick to point out that the sharing is only in non-theological areas. That’s good but I just can’t imagine Martin Luther or C. F. W. Walther proposing any sort of joint work with a Roman Catholic college.
One of the proposals is the seminarians take some business courses at Fontbonne. I think it is good for seminarians to learn the basics of goal setting and how to create and manage a program in the parish where helpful to the Gospel but this is the least of our problems. Our problems in the LCMS are not of a practical, business nature but of a theological nature.
Thank you President Meyer for defending residency seminary training. Keep it up. We encourage you to be a little more direct but this is certainly a start toward the “dust bunnies” rising up and hopefully becoming a herd of stampeding “jackelopes” running over the proposals to close the seminaries, stampeding the BRTFSG proposals, and ultimately trampling the non-Lutheran Ablaze movement.
Note: For those of you unfamiliar with the “jackelope,” it ain’t no dust bunny! It is a mythic character, the product of some early photo-shop work that combined a jack-rabbit with an antelope. It was a fearsome looking character. It was seen on countless vacaton (sic) postcards mailed home from the great west back in the 60’s and 70’s. I think you can still find them in various tourist traps out west.
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GJ - Do you remember how long ago I said Missouri would close the Ft. Wayne seminary? Nevertheless, The Surrendered Fort went ahead with a multi-million dollar expansion of the library.
St. Louis bought the entire college adjacent to it, later selling it for a loss. St. Louis has enjoyed princely donations from the Schwan Foundation. They built the Chapel of St. Timothy and Titus and Marvin with a princely donation from him. St. Louis also spent millions on the cafeteria and dorms.
Wisconsin, Missouri, and the Little Sect on the Prairie should have viewed St. Marvin of Schwan as a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan, since all three have been in dire straits after enjoying an avalanche of money poured over their heads.
Incompetent leadership stretches back to the Bohlmann years (at least). The Shrinkers and women's ordination buffs got their start during The Terror, as the Bohlmann administration is fondly remembered. One faculty member of Missouri ordered something from me, but made sure I mailed it to his home address - not the school - during those years.
Nine years of Barry and McCain gave Pentecostals, Shrinkers, and unionists a playground larded with fat financials. Barry led boldly and decisively - in every direction. I met Kent Hunter (DMin, Fuller Seminary) on his way into the Purple Palace, where he taught the DPs and Barry how to grow the synod. The statistics, as Hunter and Werning taught me in their books, tell the story. Missouri has been in steep decline ever since.
There is the argument for the Church Growth Movement in graphics too horrifying to deny. There too is the bitter fruit of UOJ. The old Synodical Conference began with Pietism and Enthusiasm, aided by healthy flirtations with orthodoxy. Over time, all three synods have returned to their Pietistic roots.
Zinzendorf is a good example to remember - for bad results. With the best of intentions, he devoted his life to helping others at Herrnhut and supporting missions. His son got another settlement going that was so bad the guys could have starred in Party in Fire Island Pines.
Dale Meyer is defending his hyper-expensive residential seminary? How charming. The seminary posted a video of Meyer interviewing heresiarch Leonard Sweet, the Missouri leader looking like a devoted puppy ready to spring into Sweet's lap and nibble his ear. For that alone, St. Louis should be closed.
Our Lady of Sorrows gave Paul Calvin Kelm a DMin in Church Growth. For that alone, St. Louis should be closed.



7 comments:
"St. Louis bought the entire college adjacent to it, later selling it for a loss. St. Louis has enjoyed princely donations from the Schwan Foundation."
True groupthink. If a synod receives a donation, it must leverage it and put it to use almost immediately -- never mind if the use is a boondoggle or out and out waste. It is like the US Government funding the digging of holes and filling them as stimulus.
I think the name is "Our Lady of Perpetual Sorrows."
It is interesting that the LC-MS gets so much Schwan money since, other than Lutheran Laymen's League, it was not a recipient originally named in the will or trust or whatever Marvin Schwann had set up.
The official argument I received when asking the then WELS president for LC-MS getting so much money is that additional funds have been placed into the foundation by the family or company. This allows the LC-MS leader of the foundation to give these monies to the LC-MS.
However, this raises the question of whether it is legal, moral, ethical, or proper to change the terms of a legacy foundation after the demise of the one who legally set up it. If the family or company want to give additional dollars to someone not mentioned among the original recipients, would it not make more sense to start a new foundation and not mix the two funds?
Am I all wet in my understanding of how LC-MS is getting so much Schwann money? Am I wrong in suggesting that funding has gone down for the original seven recipients while a large amount of money is going to a non-original recipient? Do the seven original recipients receive an annual copy of the audit of the foundation so that there is ongoing, tangible proof that the foundation is being used to benefit those chosen by Marvin Schwann? It seems that those benefitting from an estate have those rights and privileges and the board of the foundation has that obligation.
This said, I agree one hundred percent that, while the gift of Marvin Schwann was very generous and God-pleasing, the way some of the recipients have managed it has proved anything but a blessing. Let's not blame the giver, let's blame the receivers for that.
".. while the gift of Marvin Scwann was very generous and God pleasing, the way some of the recipients have managed it has proved anything but a blessing. Lets not blame the giver, let's blame the receivers for that.."
I'm in no way at all convinced Marvin Schwann's "very genererous gift" was in any way even the very least bit God pleasing.
In fact, I've always got the very distinct impression the chap was actually an open sinner (his somewhat rather public marital/ and non-marital "arrangements")
It would be interesting to know if Schwann had any needy dependants not looked after by him by his Will. I hope he did look after any such, and likewise, that he did not make his enormous financial contribution to the church as any sort of human work to "get right with God".
Another reason I'm doubtful concerning Schwann ? The fact that all the so many many Schwann millions were NOT a blessing. That seems, to me, very clearly, as God's judgement on both Schwann and all his ineffectual millions.
Am somehow extremely doubtful I'll ever meet him in heaven. One cannot "pay" to enter there.
I heard that if you total it up, the Schwan gifts while he was living amounted to only 1 or so percent of his income--about what the average American churchgoer gives to church. Certainly not a tithe or half a tithe. The richer you are, the more discretionary money you have, meaning God may think it more inexcusable not to give more. That's why His wrath is mentioned as coming down on the rich foolish farmer who had enough to retire on, and not over others.
The problem with closing the Ft Wayne seminary (only) is that the land is a gift only for school use. Any other use and it reverts to the giving family.
Now St Louis seminary is a different story. I can make a good case for closing the present campus and building a new one in the country or on an existing campus - say Concordia - Texas. Pick a number: Receive $150 million, $50 million for a new seminary ....
The other problem is the rivalry between the 2 seminaries and their graduates. It would probably be easier to close/move both than to do so for one.
Am astonished by your comments. ..
Why waste time even thinking about considering your impotent foolhardy suggestions.
Dear man,had either of them the blessing of God Almighty, they would be be flourishing (good fruits).
They are not flourishing because they not good fruits. Both are doctrinally bankrupt basket cases.
Its time that was recognized, we departed, and make other independent arrangements for the salvation of our souls. .
Yes,we need to encourage any of the genuinely sound pastors still existing, to stop fooling themselves, and COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM..
The night is far gone,and the Day drawing near...........
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