Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Ash Wednesday



"In Adam we have all been one, one huge rebellious clan." Art by Norma Boeckler.


Mid-Week Lenten Vespers


Pastor Gregory L. Jackson

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Bethany Lutheran Worship, 6 PM Phoenix Time

The Hymn #142 An Wasserfluessen Babylon
The Order of Vespers p. 41
The Psalmody Psalm 1 p. 123
The Lection John 15:1-10

The Sermon Hymn #347 Jesus meine Freude

The Sermon – The Treasures of Heaven

The Prayers
The Lord’s Prayer
The Collect for Grace p. 45

The Hymn #554 O Welt, ich muss

KJV Joel 2:12 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: 13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. 14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God? 15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: 16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. 17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? 18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people. 19 Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:

KJV Matthew 6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; 18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly. 19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Prayer

Lord God, heavenly Father, inasmuch as the adversary doth continually afflict us, and as a roaring lion doth walk about, seeking to devour us: We beseech Thee for the sake of the suffering and death of Thy Son, Jesus Christ, to help us by the grace of the Holy Spirit, and to strengthen our hearts by Thy word, that our enemy may not prevail over us, but that we may evermore abide in Thy grace, and be preserved unto everlasting life; through the same, Thy beloved Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with Thee and the Holy Ghost, one true God, world without end. Amen.

The Treasures of Heaven

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

God has given man plenty of reasoning power for practical decisions. He even seems to have granted some people a level of genius and a measure of persistence to change the world. One man, Tesla, created the 20th century with the generation of alternating current, remote control, radio waves and TV (though Marconi got the Nobel for Tesla’s invention), x-ray (overshadowed by Roentgen), and some inventions still being disputed.

However, there is another area where God alone is the master, judge, and teacher – spiritual treasure. We have only one Book where God speaks directly to His people in order to reveal these treasures. People try to insist “many truths” and “many paths to God” but there is only One Truth, one revelation, and that is found in God’s Word, in His Holy Scriptures. Many religions reflect some of the truths of the Bible, but they are man’s effort to borrow the glory of God and turn it over for their own use. The quasi-Christian sects (Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witness, liberal denominations) use the terms and even the passages that suit them, but they have no interest in the truth of the revealed Word.

Although God has given man enough reasoning power to overcome many practical problems of life, such as bridging huge chasms and turning oil into dozens of chemicals, He has not given over His Word to man to judge, adulterate, twist, and market.
That is why the Commandment says, “I am a jealous God.” As a child, I thought, “That sounds wrong,” but many passages are there for us to learn as children and apply as adults.

Jealous means that God does not want or permit us to set aside true worship for the worship of false gods. Those false gods can be fame, economic security, popularity, worldly honors, carnal pleasures, and so forth. If an idol is set up, God is displaced.

For that reason Biblical worship has always been contrary to culture. God gave laws to the Jews to separate them from everyone else. It is too easy to say, “You are very much like us.” Time after time the Jews abandoned the true worship to bow before gods who offered them fertility, pleasure, wealth, and other false promises.

Biblical worship is more like being in an enemy occupied country where the invading soldiers have taken away most of the communications. In WWII, people huddled near makeshift radios to hear the truth in the dark land. A radio is especially fitting as a comparison, because a radio does not tune a station in – it tunes all other stations out. Biblical worship means tuning out the strident noise of our culture so we can hear the still, small voice of God.

KJV 1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God. 9 And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah? 10 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away. 11 And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake: 12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

Many find it odd and alarming that pastors will claim they are proclaiming the Gospel when they bring in the noise, confusion, and glitter of the outside world into worship in the name of making worship “relevant.” Christian worship is inherently irrelevant to most concerns. The more someone wants to make the Christian faith practical, the more the Christian faith is displaced by how-to talks and cheerleading efforts. The nadir of practical sermons came during the Age of Rationalism, when sermons were about building better roads, getting inoculated, and other programs of social improvement. Their shame in the Gospel and refusal to teach the Gospel of Christ led many astray, into atheism and a “scholarly” repudiations of the Scriptures.
Because the Christian faith is irrelevant, the Gospel is able to move across all barriers – social, racial, cultural, and governmental. Nothing can stop God’s Word when God’s Word is taught in its purity and truth.

But we all have this Old Adam hanging around our necks. Laity want to be in big, successful churches. I even had a dentist bragging about what a big, big church she attended, communicating her scorn for our small church as she worked on my captive teeth. Pastors want to be invited to say the prayer at the Kiwanis luncheon and be in the annual civic parade. Theologians covet the cover of Time magazine, given recognition for their great wisdom.

All those tendencies are a despising of the cross. If a minister quietly conspires to adulterate the Word in order to be successful, he is no longer laying up for himself treasures in heaven, but treasures on earth. The cross means pain for holding to the truth of the Word, and some people will inflict that pain with great joy and energy. That will never change. One member even told me that he was the guy who never gave the minister anything but grief. When the Word finally converted him, he realized how blinded he had been and how stubbornly obnoxious he was. He once said, “I know that kind of person. I was that person.”

Some people are driven almost crazy with their opposition to the Word, then convert and see the light. Others continue on their path of hatred and fall into complete denial of God, freedom from religion.

If our treasure is in heaven, nothing can corrupt it and no one can steal it. If our treasure is on earth, it can be stolen, reduced in value, or worn down by time. One man showed me his silver dollar, which he was given to keep him from drinking. The friend said, “You will wear away like this dollar if you keep this up.” He pulled out the silver dollar, which was little more than a shiny disk. It was hard to believe, but carrying that coin wore it down. In Phoenix we see a lot of things eaten up by the strength of the sun’s rays. Wooden fences rot in the sun. Plastic turns hard, brittle, and bleached out.

God’s treasure is revealed to us in the Word and most clearly seen in the crucifixion of Christ for the sins of the world. The true Gospel teaches that forgiveness is pure grace. God has already accomplished everything for us. He cares for our physical needs and provides for our spiritual needs as well. The treasure is Christ crucified for us, but to distribute that treasure, He appointed pastors and teachers to spread the Gospel to each and every person.

"For the Word of God is the sanctuary above all sanctuaries, yea, the only one which we Christians know and have. For though we had the bones of all the saints or all holy and consecrated garments upon a heap, still that would help us nothing; for all that is a dead thing which can sanctify nobody. But God's Word is the treasure which sanctifies everything, and by which even all the saints themselves were sanctified. At whatever hour, then, God's Word is taught, preached, heard, read or meditated upon, there the person, day, and work are sanctified thereby, not because of the external work, but because of the Word, which makes saints of us all. Therefore I constantly say that all our life and work must be ordered according to God's Word, if it is to be God-pleasing or holy. Where this is done, this commandment is in force and being fulfilled."
The Large Catechism, The Third Commandment, #91-2. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 607. Tappert, p. 377. Heiser, p. 175. Exodus 20:8-11.

So everything revealed to us in the Bible is a great treasure, one which we can never fully explore in our lifetimes. If someone does not like to see up baptizing babies, should we be ashamed of this treasure and try to appease them? They are scowling at the Word, not us. If they are offended by Holy Communion as a sacrament, should we hide it away to appease them? If Gerhardt hymns are difficult the first time they are sung, should we switch to little ditties that appeal to the immature?

Perhaps very few appreciate the Word in these dark times. But Jesus did say, “When the Son of Man returns, will he find faith?”

The treasure offered does not depend on the love of the unbelieving world, but the power of God.


Quotations

"For the Word of God is the sanctuary above all sanctuaries, yea, the only one which we Christians know and have. For though we had the bones of all the saints or all holy and consecrated garments upon a heap, still that would help us nothing; for all that is a dead thing which can sanctify nobody. But God's Word is the treasure which sanctifies everything, and by which even all the saints themselves were sanctified. At whatever hour, then, God's Word is taught, preached, heard, read or meditated upon, there the person, day, and work are sanctified thereby, not because of the external work, but because of the Word, which makes saints of us all. Therefore I constantly say that all our life and work must be ordered according to God's Word, if it is to be God-pleasing or holy. Where this is done, this commandment is in force and being fulfilled."
Large Catechism, Preface, #91, Third Commandment, Concordia Triglotta, 1921, p. 607. Tappert, p. 377.

"For neither you nor I could ever know anything of Christ, or believe on Him, and obtain Him for our Lord, unless it were offered to us and granted to our hearts by the Holy Ghost through the preaching of the Gospel. The work is done and accomplished; for Christ has acquired and gained the treasure for us by His suffering, death, resurrection, etc. But if the work remained concealed so that no one knew of it, then it would be in vain and lost. That this treasure, therefore, might not lie buried, but be appropriated and enjoyed, God has caused the Word to go forth and be proclaimed, in which He gives the Holy Ghost to bring this treasure home and appropriate it to us. Therefore sanctifying is nothing else than bringing us to Christ to receive this good, to which could not attain ourselves."
The Large Catechism, The Creed, Article III, #38, Concordia Triglotta, 1921, p. 689. Tappert, p. 415.

Luther: "True, the enthusiasts confess that Christ died on the cross and saved us; but they repudiate that by which we obtain Him; that is, the means, the way, the bridge, the approach to Him they destroy...They lock up the treasure which they should place before us and lead me a fool's chase; they refuse to admit me to it; they refuse to transmit it; they deny me its possession and use." (III, 1692)
The. Engelder, et al., Popular Symbolics, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1934, p. 5.

"These treasures are offered us by the Holy Ghost in the promise of the holy Gospel; and faith alone is the only means by which we lay hold upon, accept, and apply, and appropriate them to ourselves. This faith is a gift of God, by which we truly learn to know Christ, our Redeemer, in the Word of the Gospel, and trust in Him, that for the sake of His obedience alone we have the forgiveness of sins by grace, are regarded as godly and righteous by God the Father, and are eternally saved." Formula of Concord, Thorough Declaration, III 10 Righteousness, Concordia Triglotta, 1921, p. 919.

"Early in the morning it rises, sits upon a twig and sings a song it has learned, while it knows not where to obtain its food, and yet it is not worried as to where to get its breakfast. Later, when it is hungry, it flies away and seeks a grain of corn, where God stored one away for it, of which it never thought while singing, when it had cause enough to be anxious about its food. Ay, shame on you now, that the little birds are more pious and believing than you; they are happy and sing with joy and know not whether they have anything to eat."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed. John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, V, p. 114.



"These means are the true treasure of the church through which salvation in Christ is offered. They are the objective proclamation of faith which alone makes man's subjective faith possible (Augsburg Confession, Article V). The Formula of Concord (Solid Declaration, Article XI, 76) states expressly that God alone draws man to Christ and that he does this only through the means of grace."
Walter G. Tillmanns, "Means of Grace: Use of," The Encyclopedia of the Lutheran Church, 3 vols., Minneapolis: Augsburg Publishing House, 1965, II, p. 1505.


"It is a faithful saying that Christ has accomplished everything, has removed sin and overcome every enemy, so that through Him we are lords over all things. But the treasure lies yet in one pile; it is not yet distributed nor invested. Consequently, if we are to possess it, the Holy Spirit must come and teach our hearts to believe and say: I, too, am one of those who are to have this treasure. When we feel that God has thus helped us and given the treasure to us, everything goes well, and it cannot be otherwise than that man's heart rejoices in God and lifts itself up, saying: Dear Father, if it is Thy will to show toward me such great love and faithfulness, which I cannot fully fathom, then will I also love Thee with all my heart and be joyful, and cheerfully do what pleases Thee. Thus, the heart does not now look at God with evil eyes, does not imagine He will cast us into hell, as it did before the HS came...."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 279.

"Thus we see what a very splendid thing Baptism is. It snatches us from the jaws of the devil, makes us God's own, restrains and removes sin, and then daily strengthens the new man within us. It is and remains ever efficacious until we pass from this state of misery to eternal glory. For this reason everyone should consider his Baptism as his daily dress, to be worn constantly. Every day he should be found in the faith and its fruits, suppressing the old man, and growing up in the new; for if we want to be Christians, we must practice the work whereby we are Christians. But if anyone falls from baptismal grace, let him return to it. For as Christ, the Mercy Seat, does not withdraw from us or forbid us to come to Him again even though we sin, so all His treasures and gifts also remain with us."
What Luther Says, An Anthology, 3 vols., ed., Ewald Plass, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959, I, p. 61.

"(3) Hollazius (ib.): 'The Word of God, as such, cannot be conceived of without the divine virtue, or the Holy Spirit, who is inseparable from His Word. For if the Holy Spirit could be separated from the Word of God, it would not be the Word of God or of the Spirit, but a word of man. Nor is there any other Word of God, which is in God, or with which the men of God have been inspired, than that which is given in the Scriptures or is preached or is treasured up in the human mind. But, as it cannot be denied that that is the divine will, counsel, mind, and the wisdom of God, so it cannot be destitute of the divine virtue or efficacy.'"
Heinrich Schmid, Doctrinal Theology of the Evangelical Lutheran Church, trans., Charles A. Hay and Henry E. Jacobs, Philadelphia: United Lutheran Publication House, 1899, p. 505.

Roman Catholic Indulgences
"Indulgences are, in the Church, a true spiritual treasure laid open to all the faithful; all are permitted to draw therefrom, to pay their own debts and those of others."
Rev. F. X. Schouppe, S.J., Purgatory, Illustrated by the Lives and Legends of the Saints, Rockford: Tan Books and Publishers, 1973 (1893), p. 195.

Pastor Ron Ash -
Advisor for The CORE in A-Town



Pastor Ron Ash, newly retired from St. Peter's, Freedom,
is an advisor for The CORE
and also the chairman of Church and Chicanery.
Ski is on the board of Church and Chicanery, but his photo and bio are missing
from that website.
Ski is preaching at St. Peter's today.

Treasure Quotations



"For the Word of God is the sanctuary above all sanctuaries, yea, the only one which we Christians know and have. For though we had the bones of all the saints or all holy and consecrated garments upon a heap, still that would help us nothing; for all that is a dead thing which can sanctify nobody. But God's Word is the treasure which sanctifies everything, and by which even all the saints themselves were sanctified. At whatever hour, then, God's Word is taught, preached, heard, read or meditated upon, there the person, day, and work are sanctified thereby, not because of the external work, but because of the Word, which makes saints of us all. Therefore I constantly say that all our life and work must be ordered according to God's Word, if it is to be God-pleasing or holy. Where this is done, this commandment is in force and being fulfilled."
The Large Catechism, The Third Commandment, #91-2. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 607. Tappert, p. 377. Heiser, p. 175. Exodus 20:8-11.


Johann Franck (1618-1677), enjoyed a career in law but devoted himself to writing hymns, giving us several well known titles, including: Soul, adorn thyself with gladness #305; and Jesus, Priceless Treasure, #347.

"Thus we arrive at the apostle's meaning in the assertion that a minister of Christ is a steward in the mysteries of God. He should regard himself and insist that others regard him as one who administers to the household of God nothing but Christ and the things of Christ. In other words, he should preach the pure Gospel, the true faith, that Christ alone is our life, our way, our wisdom, power, glory, salvation; and that all we can accomplish of ourselves is but death, error, foolishness, weakness, shame and condemnation. Whosoever preaches otherwise should be regarded by none as a servant of Christ or a steward of the divine treasurer; he should be avoided as a messenger of the devil." Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p. 73. Third Sunday in Advent, 1 Corinthians 4:1-5,

"Thus also the devil is angry because God wants to trample him under foot by means of flesh and blood. If a mighty spirit were opposed to him, he would not be so sorely vexed; but it greatly angers him that a poor worm of the dust, a fragile earthen vessel defies him, a weak vessel against a mighty prince. God has placed his treasure, says St. Paul, in a poor, weak vessel; for man is weak, easily aroused to anger, avaricious, arrogant, and weighed down with other imperfections, through which Satan easily shatters the earthen vessel; for if God would permit him, he would soon have utterly destroyed the whole vessel."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, V, p. 268. Twenty-first Sunday after Trinity, John 4:46-54; 1 Peter 5:8; Ephesians 6:12

"Therefore you should not imagine it is enough if you have commenced to believe; but you must diligently watch that your faith continue firm, or it will vanish; you are to see how you may retain this treasure you have embraced; for Satan concentrates all his skill and strength on how to tear it out of your heart."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, V, p. 255. Twenty-first Sunday after Trinity, John 4:46-54

"Let a prince give a person a castle or several thousand dollars, what a jumping and rejoicing it creates! On the other hand, let a person be baptized or receive the communion which is a heavenly, eternal treasure, there is not one-tenth as much rejoicing. Thus we are by nature; there is none who so heartily rejoices over God's gifts and grace as over money and earthly possessions; what does that mean but that we do not love God as we ought?"
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, V, p. 190 Eighteenth Sunday after Trinity, Matthew 22:34-46

"Let a prince give a person a castle or several thousand dollars, what a jumping and rejoicing it creates! On the other hand, let a person be baptized or receive the communion which is a heavenly, eternal treasure, there is not one-tenth as much rejoicing. Thus we are by nature; there is none who so heartily rejoices over God's gifts and grace as over money and earthly possessions; what does that mean but that we do not love God as we ought?"
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, V, p. 190 Eighteenth Sunday after Trinity, Matthew 22:34-46

"If I only kept in mind that He gave me eyes, truly a very great treasure, it would be no wonder if shame caused my death, because of my ingratitude in that I never yet thanked Him for the blessing of sight. But we do not see His noble treasures and gifts; they are too common. But when a blind babe happens to be born, then we see what a painful thing the lack of sight is, and what a precious thing even one eye is, and what a divine blessing a healthy, bright countenance is; it serves us during our whole life, and without it one would rather be dead; and yet no one thanks God for it."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, V, p. 129. Sixteenth Sunday after Trinity Luke 7:11-17

"The Master uses here the Hebrew, which we do not. 'Mammon' means goods or riches, and such goods as one does not need, but holds as a treasure, and it is gold and possessions that one deposits as stock and storage provisions."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed. John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, V, p. 107. Trinity 15 Matthew 6:24-34

"It is a faithful saying that Christ has accomplished everything, has removed sin and overcome every enemy, so that through Him we are lords over all things. But the treasure lies yet in one pile; it is not yet distributed nor invested. Consequently, if we are to possess it, the Holy Spirit must come and teach our hearts to believe and say: I, too, am one of those who are to have this treasure. When we feel that God has thus helped us and given the treasure to us, everything goes well, and it cannot be otherwise than that man's heart rejoices in God and lifts itself up, saying: Dear Father, if it is Thy will to show toward me such great love and faithfulness, which I cannot fully fathom, then will I also love Thee with all my heart and be joyful, and cheerfully do what pleases Thee. Thus, the heart does not now look at God with evil eyes, does not imagine He will cast us into hell, as it did before the HS came...."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 279. Pentecost Sunday John 14:23-31.

"Here are no learned, no rich, no mighty ones, for such people do not as a rule accept the Gospel. The Gospel is a heavenly treasure, which will not tolerate any other treasure, and will not agree with any earthly guest in the heart. Therefore whoever loves the one must let go the other, as Christ says, Matthew 6:24: 'You cannot serve God and mammon.'" Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, I, p. 154. Christmas Day Luke 2:1-14; Matthew 6:24. (10)

"What I have done and taught, teach thou, My ways forsake thou never; So shall My kingdom flourish now And God be praised forever. Take heed lest men with base alloy The heavenly treasure should destroy; This counsel I bequeath thee."
The Lutheran Hymnal, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1941, Hymn #387. Romans 3:28. (10)

"What I have done and taught, teach thou, My ways forsake thou never; So shall My kingdom flourish now And God be praised forever. Take heed lest men with base alloy The heavenly treasure should destroy; This counsel I bequeath thee." The Lutheran Hymnal, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1941, Hymn #387. Romans 3:28. "Therefore, do not speak to me of love or friendship when anything is to be detracted from the Word or the faith; for we are told that not love but the Word brings eternal life, God's grace, and all heavenly treasures."
What Luther Says, An Anthology, 3 vols., ed., Ewald Plass, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959, III, p. 1411f. Ephesians 6:10-17.

"Thus we see what a very splendid thing Baptism is. It snatches us from the jaws of the devil, makes us God's own, restrains and removes sin, and then daily strengthens the new man within us. It is and remains ever efficacious until we pass from this state of misery to eternal glory. For this reason everyone should consider his Baptism as his daily dress, to be worn constantly. Every day he should be found in the faith and its fruits, suppressing the old man, and growing up in the new; for if we want to be Christians, we must practice the work whereby we are Christians. But if anyone falls from baptismal grace, let him return to it. For as Christ, the Mercy Seat, does not withdraw from us or forbid us to come to Him again even though we sin, so all His treasures and gifts also remain with us."
What Luther Says, An Anthology, 3 vols., ed., Ewald Plass, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959, I, p. 61. Article on baptism, 1529

"Therefore, do not speak to me of love or friendship when anything is to be detracted from the Word or the faith; for we are told that not love but the Word brings eternal life, God's grace, and all heavenly treasures."
What Luther Says, An Anthology, 3 vols., ed., Ewald Plass, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959, III, p. 1411f. Ephesians 6:10-17.

"Faith is that my whole heart takes to itself this treasure. It is not my doing, not my presenting or giving, not my work or preparation, but that a heart comforts itself, and is perfectly confident with respect to this, namely, that God makes a present and gift to us, and not we to Him, that He sheds upon us every treasure of grace in Christ."
Apology of the Augsburg Confession, IV. #48. Justification. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 135. Not in Tappert. Heiser, p. 36.

"...the Ukraine project of Thoughts of Faith (Pastor Kovaciny)" Use of mission funds. Charlotte Proctor, treasurer Floyd Luther Stolzenburg, Cornerstone, Emmanuel Lutheran Church Columbus, Ohio November, 1995 Recording secretary, Christine E. Scheiderer; treasurer, Charlotte Proctor. Floyd Luther Stolzenburg, Cornerstone, Emmanuel Lutheran Church Columbus, Ohio November, 1995

"Pastor Kovaciny, in an effort to respond to our request, sent a copy of the third quarter treasurer's report of the Ukrainian congregation, signed by the treasurer and written in his own hand. We thought you might enjoy seeing it! You should be aware that our budget offering goes to pay for Pastor Kovaciny's salary and expenses through 'Thoughts of Faith,' the radio ministry which has been bringing the Gospel to the Ukraine for many years...." Floyd Luther Stolzenburg, Cornerstone, Emmanuel Lutheran Church Columbus, Ohio January, 1995

"These treasures are offered us by the Holy Ghost in the promise of the holy Gospel; and faith alone is the only means by which we lay hold upon, accept, and apply, and appropriate them to ourselves. This faith is a gift of God, by which we truly learn to know Christ, our Redeemer, in the Word of the Gospel, and trust in Him, that for the sake of His obedience alone we have the forgiveness of sins by grace, are regarded as godly and righteous by God the Father, and are eternally saved."
Formula of Concord, SD, III 10, Righteous of Faith before God, Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 919. Tappert, p. 541. Heiser, p. 250.

(8) "What is the world to me! My Jesus is my treasure, My Life, my Health, my Wealth, my Friend, my Love, my Pleasure, My Joy, my Crown, my All, Bliss eternally. Once more, then, I declare: What is the world to me!"
Georg M. Pfefferkorn, 1667, "What Is the World to Me," The Lutheran Hymnal, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1941, Hymn #430. 1 John 2:15-17. "

(3) Hollazius (ib.): 'The Word of God, as such, cannot be conceived of without the divine virtue, or the Holy Spirit, who is inseparable from His Word. For if the Holy Spirit could be separated from the Word of God, it would not be the Word of God or of the Spirit, but a word of man. Nor is there any other Word of God, which is in God, or with which the men of God have been inspired, than that which is given in the Scriptures or is preached or is treasured up in the human mind. But, as it cannot be denied that that is the divine will, counsel, mind, and the wisdom of God, so it cannot be destitute of the divine virtue or efficacy.'"
Heinrich Schmid, Doctrinal Theology of the Evangelical Lutheran Church, trans., Charles A. Hay and Henry E. Jacobs, Philadelphia: United Lutheran Publication House, 1899, p. 505.

"Thanks to the dogma of Purgatory, how many souls follow the recommendation of Our Saviour, and lay up to themselves treasures in Heaven, thus becoming rich before God (Matthew 6:20; Luke 12:21)?"
Martin Jugie, Purgatory and the Means to Avoid It, New York: Spiritual Book Associates, 1950, p. 29. 381 Fourth Ave, NY 16, NY Matthew 6:20; Luke 12:21.

"The Gospel shows the Father's grace, Who sent His Son to save our race, Proclaims how Jesus lived and died That man might thus be justified. (2) It sets the Lamb before our eyes, Who made the atoning sacrifice, And calls the souls with guilt opprest To come and find eternal rest. (3) It brings the Savior's righteousness Our souls to robe in royal dress; From all our guilt it brings release And gives the troubled conscience peace. (4) It is the power of God to save From sin and Satan and the grace; It works the faith, which firmly clings To all the treasures which it brings. (5) It bears to all the tidings glad And bids their hearts no more be sad; The heavy laden souls it cheers And banishes their guilty fears."
Matthias Loy, 1863, "The Gospel Shows the Father's Grace" The Lutheran Hymnal, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1941, Hymn #297. John 3:16.

"Indulgences are, in the Church, a true spiritual treasure laid open to all the faithful; all are permitted to draw therefrom, to pay their own debts and those of others."
Rev. F. X. Schouppe, S.J., Purgatory, Illustrated by the Lives and Legends of the Saints, Rockford: TAN Books and Publishers, 1973 (1893), p. 195.

Andy Stanley and Appleton Alliance Refuted
"Therefore it is pure wickedness and blasphemy of the devil that now our new spirits, to mock at Baptism, omit from it God's Word and institution, and look upon it in no other way than as water which is taken from the well, and then blather and say: How is a handful of water to help the soul? Aye, my friend, who does not know that water is water if tearing things asunder is what we are after? But how dare you thus interfere with God's order, and tear away the most precious treasure with which God has connected and enclosed it, and which He will not have separated? For the kernel in the water is God's Word or command and the name of God, which is a treasure greater and nobler than heaven and earth."
The Large Catechism, Part Fourth, Of Baptism. #15-16. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 735. Tappert, p. 438. Heiser, p. 205f.

"Here you see again how highly and precious we should esteem Baptism, because in it we obtain such an unspeakable treasure, which also indicates sufficiently that it cannot be ordinary mere water. For mere water could not do such a thing, but the Word does it, and (as said above) the fact that the name of God is comprehended therein. But where the name of God is, there must be also life and salvation, that it may indeed be called a divine, blessed, fruitful, and gracious water; for by the Word such power is imparted to Baptism that it is a laver of regeneration, as St. Paul also calls it, Titus 3:5."
The Large Catechism, Part Fourth, Of Baptism. #26-27. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 739. Tappert, p. 439f. Heiser, p. 206.

"Thus faith clings to the water, and believes that it is Baptism, in which there is pure salvation and life; not through the water (as we have sufficiently stated), but through the fact that it is embodied in the Word and institution of God, and the name of God inheres in it. Now, if I believe this, what else is it than believing in God and in Him who has given and planted His Word into this ordinance, and proposes to us this external thing wherein we may apprehend such a treasure?"
The Large Catechism, Part Fourth, Of Baptism. #29. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 739. Tappert, p. 440. Heiser, p. 206.

"Without faith it profits nothing, notwithstanding it is in itself a divine superabundant treasure. Therefore this single word (He that believeth) effects this much that it excludes and repels all works which we can do, in the opinion that we obtain and merit salvation by them. For it is determined that whatever is not faith avails nothing nor receives anything."
The Large Catechism, Part Fourth, Of Baptism. #34. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 741. Tappert, p. 440. Heiser, p. 207.

"Thus you see plainly that there is here no work done by us, but a treasure which He gives us, and which faith apprehends; just as the Lord Jesus Christ upon the cross is not a work, but a treasure comprehended in the Word, and offered to us and received by faith. Therefore they do us violence by exclaiming against us as though we preach against faith; while we alone insist upon it as being of such necessity that without it nothing can be received nor enjoyed."
The Large Catechism, Part Fourth, Of Baptism. #37. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 741. Tappert, p. 441. Heiser, p. 207.

"For this reason let every one esteem his Baptism as a daily dress in which he is to walk constantly, that he may ever be found in the faith and its fruits, that he suppress the old man and grow up in the new. For if we would be Christians, we must practice the work whereby we are Christians. But if any one fall away from it, let him again come into it. For just as Christ, the Mercy-seat, does not recede from us or forbid us to come to Him again, even though we sin, so all His treasure and gifts also remain. If, therefore, we have once in Baptism obtained forgiveness of sin, it will remain every day, as long as we live, that is, as long as we carry the old man about our neck."
The Large Catechism, Part Fourth, Of Baptism. #84-86. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 753. Tappert, p. 446. Heiser, p. 209f.

"For herein you have both truths, that it is the body and blood of Christ, and that it is yours as a treasure and gift. Now the body of Christ can never be an unfruitful, vain thing, that effects or profits nothing. Yet, however great is the treasure in itself, it must be comprehended in the Word and administered to us, else we should never be able to know or seek it."
The Large Catechism, Sacrament of the Altar. #29-30. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 759. Tappert, p. 449f. Heiser, p. 211.

"This faith He Himself demands in the Word when He says: Given and shed for you. As if He said: For this reason I give it, and bid you eat and drink, that you may claim it as yours and enjoy it. Whoever now accepts these words,and believes that what they declare is true, has it. But whoever does not believe it has nothing, as he allows it to be offered to him in vain, and refuses to enjoy such a saving good. The treasure, indeed, is opened and placed at every one's door, yea, upon his table, but it is necessary that you also claim it, and confidently view it as the words suggest to you."
The Large Catechism, Sacrament of the Altar. #34-35. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 761. Tappert, p. 450. Heiser, p. 212.

UOJ Refuted
"For neither you nor I could ever know anything of Christ, or believe on Him, and obtain Him for our Lord, unless it were offered to us and granted to our hearts by the Holy Ghost through the preaching of the Gospel. The work is done and accomplished; for Christ has acquired and gained the treasure for us by His suffering, death, resurrection, etc. But if the work remained concealed so that no one knew of it, then it would be in vain and lost. That this treasure, therefore, might not lie buried, but be appropriated and enjoyed, God has caused the Word to go forth and be proclaimed, in which He gives the Holy Ghost to bring this treasure home and appropriate it to us. Therefore sanctifying is nothing else than bringing us to Christ to receive this good, to which we could not attain ourselves."
The Large Catechism, The Creed, Article III, #38, Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 689. Tappert, p. 415. Heiser, p. 194.

"For where He does not cause it to be preached and made alive in the heart, so that it is understood, it is lost, as was the case under the Papacy, where faith was entirely put under the bench, and no one recognized Christ as his Lord or the Holy Ghost as his Sanctifier, that is, no one believed that Christ is our Lord in the sense that He has acquired this treasure for us, without our works and merit, and made us acceptable to the Father. What, then, was lacking? This, that the Holy Ghost was not there to reveal it and cause it to be preached; but men and evil spirits were there, who taught us to obtain grace and be saved by our works."
The Large Catechism, The Creed, Article III, #43-44, Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 689. Tappert, p. 416. Heiser, p. 194f.

"True, the enthusiasts confess that Christ died on the cross and saved us; but they repudiate that by which we obtain Him; that is, the means, the way, the bridge, the approach to Him they destroy...They lock up the treasure which they should place before us and lead me a fool's chase; they refuse to admit me to it; they refuse to transmit it; they deny me its possession and use." (III, 1692)
The. Engelder, W. Arndt, Th. Graebner, F. E. Mayer, Popular Symbolics, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1934, p. 5.

"These means are the true treasure of the church through which salvation in Christ is offered. They are the objective proclamation of faith which alone makes man's subjective faith possible (Augsburg Confession, Article V). The Formula of Concord (Solid Declaration, Article XI, 76) states expressly that God alone draws man to Christ and that he does this only through the means of grace." Walter G. Tillmanns, "Means of Grace: Use of," The Encyclopedia of the Lutheran Church, 3 vols., Julius Bodensieck, Minneapolis: Augsburg Publishing House, 1965, II, p. 1505.

The CORE Twitters



Executive Assistant, The CORE, A-town.
Phone 920-364-0200
920-540-5298
info@gotocore.com

Core Twitter

Twitter


negative place today, must sign off for now
less than a minute ago from TweetDeck

attacking my inbox first thing on a very rainy wednesday morning in a-town....this website management thing is seriously time consuming!
about 1 hour ago from TweetDeck

How much is one soul worth? How do you put a price tag on it?
about 12 hours ago from twitterrific

Wow! God has put some amazing visionaries on our team backing us in a-town. So grateful!!
about 12 hours ago from twitterrific

good mtg with exec comm tnite -I get to work with some awesome ppl. God is good!
about 13 hours ago from twitterrific

if you haven't checked out www.driveinternational.org you should - awesome resource
about 16 hours ago from TweetDeck

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Ski Twitter

At the gym. Had great morning. Going be an even better afternoon. Tweets have great Lent. Hope to see you at St.Peter's. 2 pm & 6:30 pm
19 minutes ago from twitterrific

LOLCats Say - Doctrinal Discipline,
Ur Doin It Wrong




LOLCat Demonstrating Epic Fail



Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "From Another Blog":

Hmmmm.. 4 congregations nearby with 1,000+ members; 40 congregations total within 20 miles. Does the CORE think that saturation is an EPIC FAIL for WELS? Let's also look at how many "electric slide, jump-n-shout, rock 'n roll" churches are also within 10 miles of CORE. Two huge churches right on 41 - Pathways, Appleton Alliance, dozens of Baptists, Assembly of God, plus lesser enthsiasts (sic)...

Is the CORE concerned that churches aren't reaching people or the Word isn't working and is returning empty and failing to accomplish what God desires?


Ski's Twitter: At Appleton Alliance for worssip (sic) thos (sic) morning. This is my 3rd time. It looks like I'll finally here (sic) Dennis Espiscopo preach. 6:00 AM Nov 30th, 2008 from twitterrific [his spellings]

Here's a quote from Appleton Alliance website: "At Appleton Alliance Church we practice “believer’s baptism”. Baptism not necessary for salvation, but rather is an outward sign of commitment and a changed life. Baptism takes place after a person believes in Jesus Christ and surrenders to Him as lord."

WHERE'S THE CHURCH DISCIPLINE??!?? WHY ARE WE PUNTING CASH TO SYNOD WHEN THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR JOB?!?!?


D o' Worms

DP =
Dog-matic President





Drive International - Ski Fans Take Note



A rare photo op of Ski with a tie.


From Ski's pricey executive assistant, on Twitter:

if you haven't checked out http://www.driveinternational.org/ you should - awesome resource
about 6 hours ago from TweetDeck


So what is Drive International? (That is a pun on Drive-In. Enjoy the graphics.)

Creating a church for people who don't like church!

That is the basic theme of Emerging Church or Becoming Missional.

If you want to do research on this, register and attend their web-based brain-washing sessions. Andy Stanley is in charge. Now where have I heard that name before?

I am too busy to look into this event, which appears to be free. I think concerned laity and pastors should get themselves up to date on what WELS Church and Change people are slobbering over.



I remember now - Ski and Babtist Andy Stanley, whom he heard at Atlanta and again at another conference, Catalyst.


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Anonymouse has left a new comment on your post "From Another Blog":

If you are going to criticize at lease get your facts straight. I have never heard The CORE say that their motto is "In order to reach people..." I have reviewed the website and haven't found that anywhere. Find the facts for yourselves and stop relying on others to do your dirty work because clearly they are misleading you with false information.

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GJ - My, my, someone should read the post before commenting. I did not say "In order to reach people" was Ski's motto, but that it is the theme of Emerging Church/Becoming Missional. If Ski and Company need to study Emerging Church all the time, that study will bear fruit - more precious thistle seeds to sow to the wind. That has been and continues to be the goal of Church and Chicanery and its robotic followers. My "false information" comes from Ski's constant blabbing on his blog, his website, and his twitter.

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Anonymouse has left a new comment on your post "Drive International - Ski Fans Take Note":

"Pricey executive assistant" - I didn't know you were so privileged as to have access to the financial records of the core to know how much, if at all, the assistant gets paid. Please Greg, if you want to tear people down so be it but at least be sure you have the facts before you do so. And that is a fact I highly doubt you have.

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GJ - Is Mouse making a claim that the executive assistant is working for free? I would love to have an Excel chart showing the budget figures and where the big bucks are coming from. In a time of financial crisis for the whole country and WELS, Ski is given his own sandbox to play in, and he cannot stop crowing about it. These things have their way of turning into a tarbaby. A lot of other congregations in A-town are already thriving by doing their anti-confessional Emerging Church for the People Who Hate Church thing. Why was Ski at Alliance Church three times? To learn from them. Why did he mark and avoid Deutschlander in favor of Stanley? To learn from the Babtists.

I have served several congregations on mission status. I am sure mission pastors will agree that their budget did not allow for popcorn, gourmet coffee, an energy-hog Imax projector, 20 sub-woofers!, and an executive assistant.

The classic WELS Church and Chicanery spin is to make the message bearer the issue, not their most recent act of apostasy. I welcome the verbal abuse because the cowardly, sniveling comments show how shallow the group is, how limited the members are, how dark its future is.

Tuesday, February 24, 2009

Welcome Kirk


I see a new name on on followers list - Kirk. That is all I know.

Welcome, Kirk.

From Another Blog


Lent and The CORE Location


February 9, 2009 by Rick

“This year’s Lenten services will begin on February 25th, Ash Wednesday,” and our congregation, St. Peter, will not be a part of the usual pastor rotation. Instead, Pastor Skorzewski (aka “Pastor Ski”) and Pastor Glende (aka “Pastor Tim”) will each lead three of the six services. According to our December/January/February 2008-2009 newsletter, the reason our “Lenten services will not include a pulpit exchange of pastors” is due “to pastor vacancies in the area.”

James Skorzewski is pastor of The CORE, our new daughter congregation. The CORE will begin holding services the Sunday after Easter at the defunct Big Picture movie theater. The Big Picture is similar to an IMAX theater, except the Big Picture’s movie screen is larger than a standard IMAX. The Big Picture boasts an entertainment screen that is 80 feet wide and 60 feet tall.

Also, this puts The CORE only one block away from another WELS church: St. Paul Evangelical Lutheran Church and School. St. Paul is a congregation of over 1100 members and is notable for its outreach efforts among Hmong immigrants. There are over 40 other WELS congregations within a 20 mile radius from The CORE’s new location. Within about a mile of The CORE, there are four other WELS congregations each averaging over 1000 members. Lawrence University is also near by.

The CORE’s plan is to reach out to the people in the Appleton area who would not consider becoming Lutheran or WELS. In other words, The CORE’s goal is to reach all the people those large WELS congregations are not reaching. The CORE’s motto is, “In order to reach people no one else is reaching, we must do things no one else is doing.” One of the things The CORE has been planning to do is avoid public identification as a “WELS” and/or as a “Lutheran” congregation.

St. Peter is not supporting The CORE financially. Anonymous WELS members gave $100,000 as well as a parsonage to get The CORE started.

In other news, St. Peter also called Chris Christenson to be our Assistant Pastor to serve under new Senior Pastor Tim Glende. Pastor Glende’s mentor, Rev. Ron Ash retired in 2008 as pastor, but still serves as advisor for The CORE. Pastor Skorzewski and Pastor Ash both serve on the Board of Directors of a controversial organization called Church and Change.


[This personal web log is about amateur photography, worship, history, and anything else of interest from a WELS confessional Lutheran layman’s Christian perspective. If anyone would like to participate, please leave a comment, or contact me directly at x22sun-wordpress2 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com.

“Light from Light” is from the Nicene Creed and refers to Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the three person oneness of God (Trinity). God is three persons. God is one. There is only one God.

“Light from Light” also refers to photography.]

Lunch with the Doctrinal Pussycat:
The Anything Goes District



Rev. Douglas J. Engelbrecht
Northern Wisconsin District President
nwdpwels@sab.wels.net
920-722-6712

I heard months ago that the Northern District was going to be cleaned up in various specific ways. This is DP Engelbrecht, Lord of Discipline in the district.



Ski and Babtist Andy Stanley, whom he heard at Atlanta and again at another conference, Catalyst.


Twitter

Great Tuesday. Lunch with my DP, executive meeting, as well as meeting people interested in The CORE. Great things are happening.

Lunch was great. Man it is great to have a DP that wants to reach the Lost and support what we are doing. He's one of the best.
about 1 hour ago from web

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Times have changed,
And we've often rewound the clock,
Since the Puritans got a shock,
When they landed on Plymouth Rock.
If today,
Any shock they should try to stem,
'Stead of landing on Plymouth Rock,
Plymouth Rock would land on them.

In olden days a glimpse of stocking
Was looked on as something shocking,
But now, God knows,
Anything Goes.

Good authors too who once knew better words,
Now only use four letter words
Writing prose, Anything Goes.

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At his installation:

The CORE will not identify itself as a WELS congregation, and might not identify itself as Lutheran. However, the CORE’s new logo does incorporate a cross.

The service was held in our grade school gymnasium and was well attended. Most of the pastors presiding and attending were wearing jeans and silk shirts, and the Milwaukee band Koine played during the service.


Anything Goes!

Are You Going To Believe Me
Or Your Lying Eyes?



Rev. Kristen communing in the new WELS way - gourmet coffee, an evangelism tool never previously revealed to the faithful.


Real Spin has left a new comment on your post "Is the WELS Magazine FIC the Xerox Room for Church...":

Kristin is the "staff minister of worship" not the pastor of the congregation. The Saint Andrews website clearly shows that there is a pastor and vicar (males) as well as a board of elders (all males) presiding over the congregation. www.st-andrew-online.org

The website clearly states that she is "an instrument in ‘administering God’s grace’ in the form of worship gatherings" most likely referring to her help behind the scenes not that she is the one actually administering the means of grace.

If you go further to the sermon downloads you can clearly see that the Pastors preside over the worship service and sermons are delivered by the pastors not the female staff minister.

In the Q&A section of the WELS website there are questions regarding the roles of female staff minister. The answer to one such question is "The specific duties of staff ministers, male or female, will vary with the call extended to them by the calling body. In the case of female staff ministers, of course, the duties may not involve the exercise of authority over men." please see here for context http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?1518&cuTopic_topicID=69&cuItem_itemID=7331 additional information on the staff ministry program is available on the MLC website.

Sorry, no female pastor in the WELS just many woman using their God-given abilities in church in a way that is pleasing to God.

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GJ - Short answer: ordained pastors "administer the Means of Grace."

Brief Statement, 2009: The head of Staff Ministry in WELS is Larry Olson, who obtained his drive-by D.Min. from Fuller Seminary, Cloaca Maxima, where anyone questioning women's ordination is disciplined. He also studied at that stealth WELS training center - Trinity, Deerfield. But Larry is known as the Harmless Heretic with only 75 staff ministers trained so far.

Confession of Faith:
WELS and Evangelical Covenants Agree
Verbatim!




I started seeing an odd agreement among Church Growth congregations when I read their statements of beliefs. I wondered what the Ur-Document was. I think I have found it. This is better than the Rosetta Stone. I have lined up a few lines with the links. Everyone is encouraged to pursue this.

Craig Groeschel's list is the Rosetta Stone of WELS plagiarism. Let's look at the overall order:

God
Jesus Christ
About the Holy Spirit
About the Bible
About Human Beings
About Salvation
About Eternity

The WELS copycats (and CrossRoads, ECC nee WELS, South Lyons) have listed their beliefs in the same order, with some minor variations. I have listed the Rosetta Stone version first, followed by the rest.

God (Groeschel)
God is the Creator and Ruler of the universe. He has eternally existed in three personalities: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are coequal and are one God.
· Genesis 1:1,26,27,3:22
· Psalm 90:2
· Matthew 28:19
· 1 Peter 1:2
· 2 Corinthians 13:14

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God (Rock and Roll - http://www.ctrtx.net/content/view/20/44/)
God
God is the Creator and Ruler of the universe. He has existed from eternity. Though there is only one God, he is three persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three persons are equal in power, authority and majesty.
Genesis 1:1, 26, 27; Psalm 90:2; Matthew 28:19-20; 1 Peter 1:2; 2 Corinthians 13:14

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God (CrossRoads, started by WELS in S. Lyons, now Evangelical Covenant - http://www.ecrossroads.net/default.aspx?sectionid=2490&pageid=4060)
About God
God is the Creator and Ruler of the universe. He has eternally existed in three personalities; the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. These three are coequal and are one God.

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God (CrossWalk, WELS, Phoenix - http://www.crosswalkphoenix.com/explore-faith/statement-of-beliefs.aspx)
God is the Creator and Ruler of the universe. He has existed from eternity. Though there is only one God, he is three persons - “ the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three persons are equal in power, authority and majesty. -- Genesis 1:1, 26, 27; Psalm 90:2; Matthew 28:19-20; 1 Peter 1:2; 2 Corinthians 13:14

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About God (Crown of Life, Corona, California, WELS - http://www.crownoflifechurch.net/aboutus.html) : God is the Creator and Ruler of the universe. He has eternally existed in three personalities: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and are one God. Genesis 1:1,26,27, 3:22; Psalm 90:2; Matthew 28:19; 1 Peter 1:2; 2 Corinthians 13:14.

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About God (Lord and Savior, WELS, - http://www.lordandsavior.org/site/pastorupdate.asp?sec_id=140001807&nc=1235488527582)

God is the Creator and Ruler of the universe. He has eternally existed in three personalities: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and are one God.

Genesis 1:1, 26, 27, 3:22; Psalm 90:2; Matthew 28:19; 1 Peter 1:2; 2 Corinthians 13:14

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ABOUT OUR HEAVENLY FATHER (CrossWalk, Phoenix)
God the Father's special work was to create the universe in which we live. He made us along with every creature, gave us our bodies and souls, as well as our gifts and abilities. He still daily preserves us by richly and daily providing all that we need for our bodies and lives. -- Genesis 1:1-2:3; Psalm 33:6-9; Job 10:10-12; Job 38:36; Psalm 36:6-7; Psalm 145:15-16

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ABOUT GOD (Bethlehem, WELS, Lakeville - http://www.bethlehemlakeville.org/about/our-beliefs)
God is the Creator and Ruler of the universe. He has existed from eternity. Though there is only one God, he is three persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three persons are equal in power, authority and majesty. Genesis 1:1, 26, 27; Psalm 90:2; Matthew 28:19-20; 1 Peter 1:2; 2 Corinthians 13:14

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ABOUT GOD (Shepherd of the Lakes, WELS, Huebner - Church and Change Board Member - http://shepherdoflakes.com/site/ms.asp?sec_id=140000665)

God is the Creator and Ruler of the universe. He has existed from eternity. Though there is only one God, he is three persons “ the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three persons are equal in power, authority and majesty. -- Genesis 1:1, 26, 27; Psalm 90:2; Matthew 28:19-20; 1 Peter 1:2; 2 Corinthians 13:14

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Jesus Christ (Groeschel)
Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is coequal with the Father and Holy Spirit. Jesus lived a sinless human life and offered Himself as the perfect sacrifice for the sins of all people by dying on a cross. He arose from the dead after three days to demonstrate His power over sin and death. He ascended to Heaven and will return again someday to earth to reign as King.
· Matthew 1:22,23
· Isaiah 9:6
· John 1:1-5,14:10-30
· Hebrews 4:14-15
· 1 Corinthians 15:3-4
· Romans 1:3-4
· Acts 1:9-11
· 1 Timothy 6:14-15
· Titus 2:13

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Jesus Christ (Rock and Roll)
Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is equal with the Father in power, authority and majesty. Jesus is both God and man. He lived a sinless life. He offered himself as the perfect sacrifice for the sins of all people by dying on a cross. He rose from the dead after three days and demonstrated his power and victory over sin and death. He ascended to heaven to be beside the Father. From there he will one day return to earth to exercise judgment. Jesus lives and rules eternally as King of kings and Lord of lords.
Matthew 1:22,23; Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1-5; John 14:10-30; 1Corinthians 15:3-4; Romans 1:3-4 Acts 1:9-11; 1Timothy 6:14-15; Titus 2:13

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Jesus (CrossRoads, South Lyons)
About Jesus
Jesus is the Son of God. He lived a sinless human life and offered Himself as the perfect sacrifice for the sins of all people by dying on a cross. He arose from the dead after three days to demonstrate His power over sin and death. He ascended to Heaven and will return to take us home to be with Him forever.

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ABOUT JESUS CHRIST (CrossWalk, Phoenix)
Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is equal with the Father in power, authority and majesty. Jesus is both God and man. He lived a sinless life and offered himself as the perfect sacrifice for the sins of all people by dying on a cross. He rose from the dead after three days and demonstrated his power and victory over sin and death. He ascended to heaven to be beside the Father. From there he will one day return to earth to exercise judgment. Jesus lives and rules eternally as King of kings and Lord of lords. -- Matthew 1:22, 23; Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1-5; John 14:10-30; Hebrews 4:14-15; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4; Romans 1:3-4; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Timothy 6: 14-15; Titus 2:13

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About Jesus Christ (Crown of Life, WELS, Corona, California) : Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is co-equal with the Father. Jesus lived a sinless human life and offered Himself as the perfect sacrifice for the sins of all people by dying on a cross. He arose from the dead after three days to demonstrate His power over sin and death. He ascended to Heaven̢۪s glory and will return again someday to reign as King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. Matthew 1:22, 23; Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1-5; 14:10-30; Hebrews 4:14,15; 1 Corinthians 15:3,4; Romans 1:3,4; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Timothy 6:14,15; Titus 2:13

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ABOUT JESUS CHRIST (Bethlehem WELS, Lakeville)
Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is equal with the Father in power, authority and majesty. Jesus is both God and man. He lived a sinless life and offered himself as the perfect sacrifice for the sins of all people by dying on a cross. He rose from the dead after three days and demonstrated his power and victory over sin and death. He ascended to heaven to be beside the Father. From there he will one day return to earth to exercise judgment. Jesus lives and rules eternally as King of kings and Lord of lords. Matthew 1:22, 23; Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1-5; John 14:10-30; Hebrews 4:14-15; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4; Romans 1:3-4; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Timothy 6: 14-15; Titus 2:13

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ABOUT JESUS CHRIST (Shepherd of the Lakes, WELS, Huebner)

Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is equal with the Father in power, authority and majesty. Jesus is both God and man. He lived a sinless life and offered himself as the perfect sacrifice for the sins of all people by dying on a cross. He rose from the dead after three days and demonstrated his power and victory over sin and death. He ascended to heaven to be beside the Father. From there he will one day return to earth to exercise judgment. Jesus lives and rules eternally as King of kings and Lord of lords. -- Matthew 1:22, 23; Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1-5; John 14:10-30; Hebrews 4:14-15; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4; Romans 1:3-4; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Timothy 6: 14-15; Titus 2:13

About the Holy Spirit (Groeschel)

The Holy Spirit is coequal with the Father and the Son of God. He is present in the world to make men aware of their need for Jesus Christ. He also lives in every Christian from the moment of salvation. He provides the Christian with power for living, understanding of spiritual truth, and guidance in doing what is right. He gives every believer spiritual gifts when they are saved. As Christians we seek to live under His control daily.
· Acts 1:8
· 1 Corinthians 3:17
· John 16:7-13,14:16-17
· Galatians 5:25
· 1 Corinthians 2:12,3:16
· Ephesians 1:13,5:18

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Holy Spirit (Rock and Roll)
The Holy Spirit is equal with the Father and the Son in power, authority and majesty. Since we cannot by our own thoughts or choices believe in Christ or come to him, the Holy Spirit calls us to faith through the good news of Jesus Christ. He makes us aware of our sin and deep need for Christ. He also draws us to Christ by working through the Word of God and Baptism. After drawing us to faith, the Holy Spirit then carries out the work of renewing us through Word and Sacrament - giving us power for Christian living, understanding spiritual truth and guidance in doing what is pleasing to God. As Christians, we strive to live under his control daily.
2 Corinthians 3:17; John 16:7-13; John 14:16-17; Ephesians 1:13

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Holy Spirit (CrossRoads, South Lyons)
The Holy Spirit is present in the world to make men aware of their need for Jesus. He lives in every Christian from the moment of salvation. He provides the Christian with power for living, understanding spiritual truth and guidance in doing what is right. As Christians we daily seek to live under His control.

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ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT (CrossWalk, Phoenix)
The Holy Spirit is equal with the Father and the Son in power, authority and majesty. Since we cannot by our own thoughts or choices believe in Christ or come to him, the Holy Spirit calls us to faith through the good news of Jesus Christ. He makes us aware of our sin and deep need for Christ. He also draws us to Christ by working through the word of God and Baptism. After drawing us to faith, the Holy Spirit then carries out the work of renewing us through word and sacrament – giving us power for Christian living, understanding spiritual truth, and guidance in doing what is pleasing to God. As Christians, we strive to live under his control daily. -- 2 Corinthians 3:17; John 16:7-13; John 14:16-17; Acts 1:8; 1 Corinthians 2:12; 1 Corinthians 3:16; Ephesians 1:13; Galatians 5:25; Ephesians 5:18

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About the Holy Spirit (Crown of Life, WELS, Corona, California) : The Holy Spirit is co-equal with the Father and the Son of God. He is present in the world to make men aware of their need for Jesus Christ and lead them to faith. He also lives in every Christian from the moment of salvation. He provides the Christian with power for living, understanding of spiritual truth, and guidance in doing what is right. He gives every believer spiritual gifts. As Christians, we seek to live under His control daily. 2 Corinthians 3:17; John 16:7-13, 14:16,17; Acts 1:8; 1 Corinthians 2:12, 3:16; Ephesians 1:13; Galatians 5:25; Ephesians 5:18

About the Bible (Groeschel)
The Bible is God's Word to us. It was written by human authors, under the supernatural guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is the supreme source of truth for Christian beliefs about living. Because it is inspired by God, it is truth without error.
· 2 Timothy 3:16, 1:13
· 2 Peter 1:20-21
· Psalm 119:105, 160, 12:6
· Proverbs 30:5

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The Bible (Rock and Roll)
The Bible is God's Word to us. It was written by human authors, but this was done under the supernatural influence of the Holy Spirit, a process called inspiration. The Bible is the source of the message of eternal salvation through Jesus Christ. It is the source of all truth for Christian beliefs and living. Being inspired by the Holy Spirit, the Bible is completely free of mistakes, errors or contradictions.
2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Timothy 1:13; Psalm 119: 105, 160; Psalm 12:6; Proverbs 30:5

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The Bible (CrossRoads, South Lyons)
The Bible is God's Word to us. It was written by human authors under the supernatural guidance of the Holy Spirit. Because it was inspired by God, it is truth without error.

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ABOUT THE BIBLE (CrossWalk, Phoenix)
The Bible is God's Word to us. It was written by human authors, but this was done under the supernatural influence of the Holy Spirit, a process called inspiration. The Bible is the source of the message of eternal salvation through Jesus Christ. It is the source of all truth for Christian beliefs and living. Being inspired by the Holy Spirit, the Bible is completely free of mistakes, errors or contradictions. -- 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Timothy 1:13; Psalm 119: 105, 160; Psalm 12:6; Proverbs 30:5
About the Bible (Crown of Life, WELS, Corona, California) : The Bible is God̢۪s Word to us. It was written by human authors, under the supernatural guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is the supreme source of truth for Christian beliefs and living. Because it is inspired by God, it is the truth without any mixture of error. 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20,21; 2 Timothy 1:13; Psalm 119:105,160, 12:6; Proverbs 30:5

About Human Beings (Groeschel)

People are made in the spiritual image of God, to be like Him in character. People are the supreme object of God's creation. Although every person has tremendous potential for good, all of us are marred by an attitude of disobedience toward God called "sin". Sin separates us from God and causes many problems in our life.
· Genesis 1:27
· Psalm 8:3-6
· Isaiah 53:6a
· Romans 3:23
· Isaiah 59:1-2

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Human Beings (Rock and Roll)
People were originally created in the spiritual image of God and were sinless and holy. Since the fall of mankind into sin, this is no longer true. Now, all people are born sinful and are constantly inclined to sin by nature. We are spiritually lost and dead apart from Jesus Christ. However, through faith in Christ we are new-born and are given the ability to serve God, live for his purposes and enjoy his blessings.
Genesis 1:27; Romans 5:12-21; Psalm 51:5; Ephesians 2:1-5; Luke 15; Luke 19:10; John 3:1-21; Romans 12:1-2; 2 Corinthians 9:6-15

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Human Beings (CrossRoads, South Lyons)
People were made in the spiritual image of God, to be like Him in character. People are the supreme object of God's Creation. Although every person has tremendous potential for good, all are marred by an attitude of disobedience toward God. Sin separates us from God and causes many problems in our lives.

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ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS (CrossWalk, Phoenix)
People were originally created in the spiritual image of God and were sinless and holy. Since the fall of mankind into sin, this is no longer true. Now, all people are born sinful and are constantly inclined to sin by nature. We are spiritually lost and dead apart from Jesus Christ. However, through faith in Christ we are new-born and are given the ability to serve God, live for his purposes and enjoy his blessings. -- Genesis 1:27; Romans 5:12-21; Psalm 51:5; Ephesians 2:1-5; Luke 15; Luke 19:10; John 3:1-21; Romans 12:1-2; 2 Corinthians 9:6-15
About Human Beings (Crown of Life, WELS, Corona, California) : People are the supreme object of God's creation. Although in Christ every person has tremendous potential for good, all of us are marred by an attitude of disobedience toward God called â€Å“sin”. This attitude of disobedience is often called original or inherited sin and is present in every person. It separates people from God and causes many problems in life. Genesis 1:27; Psalm 8:3-6; Isaiah 53:6a; Romans 3:23; Isaiah 59:1, 2

About Salvation (Groeschel)

Salvation is God's free gift to us but we must accept it. We can never make up for our sin by self:improvement or good works. Only by trusting in Jesus Christ as God's offer of forgiveness can anyone be saved from sin's penalty. When we turn from our self:ruled life and turn to Jesus in faith we are saved. Eternal life begins the moment one receives Jesus Christ into his life by faith.
· Romans 6:23
· Ephesians 2:8-9
· John 14:6, 1:2
· Titus 3:5
· Galatians 3:26
· Romans 5:1, 10:9-10

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Salvation (Rock and Roll)
Salvation is God's free gift to us. It comes to us through no effort or decision on our part. We can never make up for our sin by self-improvement or a life of goodness and kindness. God won salvation for us by loving us, sending his son Jesus Christ to live a perfect life and die a sacrificial death as our substitute. It is through this act of Jesus that salvation became ours. Even faith is not to our credit, for there too God provides his Holy Spirit to create faith in our hearts and minds. Salvation comes to lost mankind by grace alone, through faith alone, in God̢۪s Word alone.
Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8-9; John 14:6; John 15:5-16, Romans 3:20-26; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:17

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Salvation (CrossRoads, South Lyons)
Salvation is God's free gift to us. We can never make up for sin by self-improvement or good works. Only by trusting in Jesus as God's offer of forgiveness can anyone be saved from sin's penalty. When we turn from our self-ruled lives and turn to Jesus in faith we are saved.

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ABOUT SALVATION (CrossWalk, Phoenix)
Salvation is God's free gift to us. It comes to us through no effort or decision on our part. We can never make up for our sin by self-improvement or a life of goodness and kindness. God won salvation for us by loving us, sending his son Jesus Christ to live a perfect life and die a sacrificial death as our substitute. It is through this act of Jesus that salvation became ours. Even faith is not to our credit, for there too God provides his Holy Spirit to create faith in our hearts and minds. Salvation comes to lost mankind by grace alone, through faith alone, in God̢۪s word alone. -- Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8-9; John 14:6; John 15:5-16, Romans 3:20-26; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:17

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About Salvation (Crown of Life, Corona, California) : Salvation is God̢۪s free gift to us received by faith. We can never make up for our sin by self-improvement or good works. Only by trusting in Jesus Christ as God's offer of forgiveness can anyone be saved from sin's penalty. Eternal life begins the moment Jesus Christ enters into his heart and life by faith. Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8,9; John 14:6, 1:12; Titus 3:5; Galatians 3:26; Romans 5:1

About Eternity (Groeschel)

People were created to exist forever. We will either exist eternally separated from God by sin or eternally with God through forgiveness and salvation. To be eternally separated from God is hell. To be eternally in union with Him is eternal life in Heaven. Heaven and hell are real places of eternal existence.
· John 3:16, 14:17
· Romans 6:23, 8:17-18
· Revelation 20:15
· 1 Corinthians 2:7-9

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Eternity (Rock and Roll)
People were created to exist forever. We will exist eternally separated from God by sin, or eternally with God through the forgiveness and salvation won by Christ. To be eternally separated from God is eternal death or hell. To be eternally united with him in the enjoyment of all his blessings is eternal life or heaven. Heaven and hell are real places where all mankind will exist eternally. In eternity, our bodies and souls are reunited either to suffer the pains of hell or to enjoy the eternal blessings of heaven.
John 3:16; John 14:17; Romans 6:23; Romans 8:17-18; Revelation 20:15; 1 Corinthians 2:7-9

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Eternity (CrossRoads, South Lyons)
People were created to exist forever. We will either exist eternally separated from God by sin or eternally with Him through forgiveness and salvation. To be eternally separated from God is Hell. To be eternally in union with Him is Heaven. Heaven and Hell are real places of eternal existence.

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ABOUT THE LIFE TO COME (CrossWalk, Phoenix)
People were created to exist forever. We will exist eternally separated from God by sin, or eternally with God through the forgiveness and salvation won by Christ. To be eternally separated from God is eternal death or hell. To be eternally united with him in the enjoyment of all his blessings is eternal life or heaven. Heaven and hell are real places where all mankind will exist eternally. In eternity, our bodies and souls are reunited either to suffer the pains of hell or to enjoy the eternal blessings of heaven. -- John 3:16; John 14:17; Romans 6:23; Romans 8:17-18; Revelation 20:15; 1 Corinthians 2:7-9

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About Eternity (Crown of Life, WELS, Corona, California) : People were created to exist forever. We will either exist eternally separated from God by sin, or eternally with God through forgiveness and salvation. To be eternally separated from God is Hell. To be eternally in union with Him is eternal life. Heaven and Hell are real places of eternal existence. John 3:16; John 14:17; Romans 6:23; Romans 8:17-18; Revelation 20:15; 1 Cor. 2:7-9

In addition to Essential Beliefs, we uphold the following (Groeschel)

In Non-Essential Beliefs, we have liberty. Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters... Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls... So then each of us will give an account of himself to God... So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God.
In All our Beliefs, we show charity. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
· Romans 14:1,4,12,22
· 1 Corinthians 13:2

Catalyst One Day Event:
You Need to Know This






Ski went to the November Stanley/Groeschel event:

Groeschel: My church needs my leadership more than my preaching. Interesting thought.
11:46 AM Nov 20th, 2008 from twitterrific
Groeschel: Pastor's who don't take time off are dull of pride and are poor leaders. - wow.
11:42 AM Nov 20th, 2008 from twitterrific
At the one day Catalyst conference. Good stuff
5:41 AM Nov 20th, 2008 from twitterrific
@ the movie in Granger baby! What a town!
6:52 PM Nov 19th, 2008 from twitterrific in reply to the
Going to Granger to see Andy Stanly & Craig Groeshel speak on leadership.
8:31 AM Nov 19th, 2008 from twitterrific


Ski's plans have been made known to his WELS circuit:

At Appleton Circut Pastors Conference. Going to give an update on The CORE.
7:32 AM Dec 1st, 2008 from twitterrific.



Andy Stanley held the Catalyst One Day Event with Evangelical Covenant Minister Craig Groeschel, November, 2008. Here is what he presented:


WHAT YOU WILL LEARN

At Catalyst One Day, you will:

■Discover the key to creating and sustaining momentum in your organization
■Identify and break through the barriers to momentum
■Overcome personal leadership lids
■Leverage the three triggers which ignite organizational momentum
■Create a culture of continual improvement
■Embrace a new approach to leading organizational change

Vintage Groeschel, decanted at a Willow Creek Training Event


  1. How many of you have been to a church and it was dead? They didn’t have… IT
  2. What about going to a place where you felt God and knew they had… IT?
  3. Sarted in a two car garage students met in closet… Every week students came out of the closet
  4. They didn’t have the stuff that most people think we need to have a church.
  5. Every week people came to know God and invited their friends because they didn’t have the stuff they thought they needed… they had what they needed… The Spir-IT!
  6. It’s something more than just the Spirit - to say the people who don’t have it don’t have the spirit would be insulting
  7. New York Campus has seen %145 increase in a year - the campus he attends is the only one that has decreased = %3
  8. What is it? The answer is = don’t know
    God makes IT happen. We can’t create it, we can’t reproduce it, we can’t manufacture it, it can’t be taught, but it can be caught, it’s not a model, it’s not emergent, purpose driven, seeker sensitive, it is usually brought by more than one person, but usually one person can kill it
  9. You could say, “IT Happens!” but often it doesn’t
  10. Good news = if you don’t have it, doesn’t mean you can’t find it
  11. Bad news = if you have it, you may not keep it
    Acts 2:42-47 -
  12. They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. 44All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. 46Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
  13. Four qualities that are most often there when IT is present:
  14. Laser Focus - most people today said more ministries/events is better. I believe better ministries is better. Jim Collins asked, “what can you be the very best at?” In order to reach people that no one is reaching, you’ll have to do things that no one else is doing. But to do things that no one else is doing, you can’t do what everyone else is doing! Planned abandonment!
  15. Started examining ministries. Concert ministries was just entertaining other churches people. Don’t do
  16. Cut all but 5 things. Worship, Small groups, kids ministry, student ministry, missions.
  17. What are you doing that you need to STOP doing.
  18. They see opportunities where others see obstacles
  19. You have everything that you need to do all that God wants you to do.
  20. You don’t have what you want or what they think they need, you have what you and they need
  21. What if I said you need to raise 100,000 dollars by Friday? Couldn’t do it. What if I said you have to raise 100,000 for a shot for child otherwise they will die? YEP! Overcome the obstacle!
  22. He often provides where God doesn’t provide. They had to see something they couldn’t see.
  23. What is God trying to show you through your greatest limitation?
  24. They are willing to fail
  25. Failure is not an option… I agree, “It’s a necessity!”
  26. Peter couldn’t have done what he did if he hadn’t failed! He failed walking on water, he failed by denying Him, but he succeeded feeding his sheep! 3,000 were saved!
  27. They failed starting two campuses in Phoenix and ended up having to merge them
  28. There are two steps to failure.
  29. The Mule - shook of the dirt, the dirt started piling up at his feet and he started stepping up. SHAKE IT OFF! STEP IT UP!
  30. What has God called you to do that you are afraid to attempt? When are you going to do it?
  31. They are led by people who have IT!
  32. You need to have IT for your ministry to have IT!
  33. Before long ministry started to kill IT! It became less about building his kingdom and more about building my church. I started preaching messages that would bring people in instead of pleasing to God
  34. I tried to be Rick Warren - but I’m accidental. I tried to be Joel Osteen - but I’m not that happy!
  35. When you have IT in you, it starts coming out, and other people with IT will come to you
  36. We start to try to acquire the things we don’t need to have IT
  37. God showed me I had became a full time pastor and a part time follower of Christ! DANG!
  38. I stopped reading other books, and started just reading the Bible. I went to another country and held a baby that would probably die after I left. I started fasting again!
  39. Let God break your heart again!
  40. If you read this say a prayer for Mike. A guy Craig has been ministering to for 4 years and still hasn’t accepted Christ!
  41. If you don’t have it what are you going to do to get it?
  42. WOW! Go here and buy his message if you are a church leader. It should be up here later.

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So here is Swerve, where Groeschel is writing about borrowing an Andy Stanley sermon. If Swerve sounds familiar - Ski is a follower.

How To Use Someone Else's Material

Recently I used Andy Stanley’s series, “How to Be Rich.” (If you haven’t listened to his messages, I highly recommend that you do.)

Here’s what we did:

•We asked for permission. (For the record, if you use something from LifeChurch.tv Open, you don’t have to ask for permission. Since I didn’t know North Point’s stance, asking permission seemed like the right thing to do.)
•We gave Andy credit publicly and sent people to his church’s website.
•We sent Andy a note with a small gift to say “thank you.” (This obviously isn’t necessary, but I wanted to express my gratitude for his hard work, excellent material, and generosity.)
Parts of the series included almost exclusively his material. Other parts were very much my own. To me, he deserved full credit and honor for God’s work through him.

Several people thanked me for exposing them to North Point’s ministry. I’m thrilled to turn them on to a great spiritual resource.

When have you observed this done well?

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Since Groeschel has to borrow sermons, we have to wonder if those, like Ski, who borrow Groeschel, are ever getting original material to foist on their audiences.

One person actually objected to this practice. I have some of his material copied below. Please read the entire essay.

When it comes to matters of integrity and decency, the normal course of events it seems, is that the secular culture and the world often condones that which the church condemns. For example, when the world calls adultery an “affair,” justifies divorce without cause, or calls addictions “diseases,” it is then the church that holds its own people accountable to a higher standard of morality and has less toleration for a lack of integrity and morality.

Although we typically find the world celebrating sin and the church confronting it, there is one area where this seems to be reversed: Plagiarism.

When it comes to intellectual property, copying another person’s work, and presenting it as one’s own, the secular world has absolutely no room for toleration. However, the church too often fails to condemn the same behavior, and sometimes even boasts of its use!

Why?

Consider this, can you imagine a member of congress standing up and saying “Last night I was doing some research and 74% of …” when he didn’t, but was reciting another person’s experience? Or what about a CEO standing in front of his board of directors saying “I remember it like it was yesterday,” while every word he speaks is another person’s history? Or what about your child’s 6th grade English teacher grading a book report presentation that was actually memorized from another student’s report?

We all know what happens when people in the secular world behave this way. Last year, an aide to the president resigned. Ironically, a university was recently under fire for copying another school’s policy on, plagiarism. Even Oprah Winfrey has been embarrassed, twice, for endorsing books written by authors who have manufactured history. If this behavior was appropriate, why was Oprah embarrassed by it, and why was it a scandal in the secular press? How can it then be endorsed by those who claim the name of Christ, and be tolerated by churches who practice this deceptive behavior while claiming and even openly bragging about their churches being “authentic” and “genuine?”

So what exactly am I talking about, the reader might ask? Am I talking about a pastor who hears another pastor’s sermon and wants to share it with his congregation, uses the same outline and verse, and disclaims ahead of time what he is doing? While I think doing so should be rare, it isn’t what I am criticizing here. This post is also not concerned specifically with a pastor who reads another’s sermon aloud, and tells his congregation what he is doing. While that should be rare too, it isn’t what I am addressing in this post.

What I am focusing on is the use of the same sermon, the same text, the same examples, and the same experiences, even first person, as if they are one’s own.

Craig Groeschel, who gives his sermons away on the Internet for free says, “It isn’t plagiarizing if you’re given permission,” and also agrees that “just because it isn’t plagiarizing doesn’t always mean you shouldn’t give credit to others.”

While I agree with Pastor Groeschel’s definition, I think it is incomplete, because plagiarism, I believe, also includes the element of deception when a sermon is presented, because the expectation of the congregation, without being notified, is that the material is the speaker’s own work. Especially when examples, experiences, and testimonies are spoken in first person. Just because a pastor has permission to use someone else’s material, this doesn’t mean he is without responsibility to not compromise his integrity to his hearers by presenting the material to them as if it were the work of his own study and preparation.


Craig Groeschel is a member of the Evangelical Covenant Church, closely related in doctrine to Trinity, Deerfield, where Larry Olson studied, and where WELS spends so much money in training that The Sausage Factory is listed twice in their catalogue as a sponsor.

Affiliation
LifeChurch.tv is part of the Evangelical Covenant Church (ECC) - a rapidly growing multi-ethnic denomination in the United States and Canada with ministries on five continents of the world. Founded in 1885 by Swedish immigrants, the ECC values the Bible as the Word of God, the gift of God's grace and ever-deepening spiritual life that comes through faith in Jesus Christ, the importance of extending God's love and compassion to a hurting world, and the strength that comes from unity within diversity.

What makes the Covenant unique from other denominations is the fact that while it strongly affirms the clear teaching of the Word of God, it allows believers the personal freedom to have varying interpretations on theological issues that are not clearly presented in Scripture.


Note the statement of beliefs on the same page, which will occupy a separate post above.