Jim Becker WELS has left a new comment on your post "Fruit of the Stealth Mission":
I wrote to President Schroeder on the Ski/Glende issue and received his personal reply within a week. I told him I was admonishing the Synod in advance if these men were not removed from their posts within a month.
He replied that he became aware of the situation a few days before I wrote him. He forwarded it to the president of the Northern Wisconsin District, whose job Schroeder said it is to deal with this initially, and is awaiting a report from him. While he desires to have matters like this addressed very quickly and decisively, there are times when the process of dealing with pastoral wrongdoing may take a little longer. He asked that I have some patience as they work through those who are called to carry out evangelical discipline.
I also addressed the Thrivent issue, and will deal with his response on a later post. I felt Pastor Schroeder really understood my concerns and that his response was immediate and thoughtful.
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GJ - This layman is responding appropriately. For the first time in 30 years, there are leaders who will listen and respond - in WELS.
I have linked with a lot of LCMS ministers lately. I am impressed with the number who are Triglotta Lutherans. (Father Neuhaus called himself a confessional Lutheran before he poped, so I have to use a better term.) I am somewhat optimistic about the Quiche-niks being replaced.
ELCA Lutherans have a weak background in apologetics, but the Episcopal/gay crisis has thrown them into study. That is also good.
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dk has left a new comment on your post "Write A Letter":
I agree that errors in doctrine and practice need to be dealt with swiftly. But I've heard that within the WELS structure it is very difficult to deal with problems swiftly and this leads me to ask:
If the WELS CAN'T take care of problems immediately does it have the right to exist, under its own self-definition? According to the WELS, Synod=Church, correct? We all know that the legitimacy of a church depends on its doctrinal integrity. Maintaining doctrinal integrity means dealing with problems quickly so they don't spread. So if the WELS is 1 church, as they claim, how legitimate are they?
SP Schroeder has a big job, partly because of the WELS structure and partly because these problems have been festering for two decades or more.
The office of WELS synod president is not a dictator--no
WELS synod president has the executive authority to make changes (termination of calls etc.) instantly and based on his judgment alone. There's a well ordered system in place for the purpose of preventing quick changes. One must recognize that this ties the hands of Triglotta Lutherans when error does arise in attempts to guard against liberals who might hold the same office.
SP Schroeder is no exception. I'm under the impression that he has to play "the game" because of the limitation on his authority. While it's a shame that he's hampered, I'd rather have a Conservative as SP than someone like Kelm. God uses faithful men for his purposes in whatever situation they find themselves. I imagine Schroeder has a full plate and he can use our prayers--wishing him swiftness.
Remember though, that if you're WELS you ARE in close fellowship with Ski, Glende, Jeske, Kelm, Hunter, Gunn, and all the rest. YOU belong to the same church and by your testimony you are one in faith with them! At what point should you contest the legitimacy of the WELS based on an absence of church discipline?
Sooner or later something has to happen and people will have to be held accountable.
My new years resolution is to write the District Presidents who have errant pastors under them. CC your emails to president Schroeder so that Schroeder has more to refer to when he talks to the DPs about the problems. I'll just bet that by respectful protest (a flood of emails) the Triglotta Lutherans could really aid in the process of church discipline!

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I wrote to President Schroeder regarding Jeske's Time of Grace becoming an RSO of the LCMS. His response was swift, and it was the same as the answer to Mr. Becker. This was months ago. Jeske's Time of Grace continues to be an RSO of the LCMS, AND he remains a pastor of a congregation of the WELS.
It appears that there is nothing forthcoming from either the DP or the SP regarding this matter.
This is not brain surgery. The facts are simple. Why is this man still a pastor in WELS?
http://www.ocregister.com/news/church-226694-warren-christmas.html
The handling of this matter highlights another mystery practice of WELS. Why would a matter discipline be turned over to DP Doug Engelbrecht? Referred to as useless by some, it raises the question of what is really expected of him given his useless track record.
I agree that errors in doctrine and practice need to be dealt with swiftly. But I've heard that within the WELS structure it is very difficult to deal with problems swiftly and this leads me to ask:
If the WELS CAN'T take care of problems immediately does it have the right to exist, under its own self-definition? According to the WELS, Synod=Church, correct? We all know that the legitimacy of a church depends on its doctrinal integrity. Maintaining doctrinal integrity means dealing with problems quickly so they don't spread. So if the WELS is 1 church, as they claim, how legitimate are they?
SP Schroeder has a big job, partly because of the WELS structure and partly because these problems have been festering for two decades or more.
The office of WELS synod president is not a dictator--no
WELS synod president has the executive authority to make changes (termination of calls etc.) instantly and based on his judgment alone. There's a well ordered system in place for the purpose of preventing quick changes. One must recognize that this ties the hands of Triglotta Lutherans when error does arise in attempts to guard against liberals who might hold the same office.
SP Schroeder is no exception. I'm under the impression that he has to play "the game" because of the limitation on his authority. While it's a shame that he's hampered, I'd rather have a Conservative as SP than someone like Kelm. God uses faithful men for his purposes in whatever situation they find themselves. I imagine Schroeder has a full plate and he can use our prayers--wishing him swiftness.
Remember though, that if you're WELS you ARE in close fellowship with Ski, Glende, Jeske, Kelm, Hunter, Gunn, and all the rest. YOU belong to the same church and by your testimony you are one in faith with them! At what point should you contest the legitimacy of the WELS based on an absence of church discipline?
Sooner or later something has to happen and people will have to be held accountable.
My new years resolution is to write the District Presidents who have errant pastors under them. CC your emails to president Schroeder so that Schroeder has more to refer to when he talks to the DPs about the problems. I'll just bet that by respectful protest (a flood of emails) the Triglotta Lutherans could really aid in the process of church discipline!
DP "Deadwood" Engelbrecht.
"YOU belong to the same church and by your testimony you are one in faith with them!"
I hereby change my testimony to say that I seriously question whether I am in one faith with Ski, Glende, Jeske, Kelm, Hunter, and/or Gunn. In fact, I reserve the right to say that I do not know them.
Since "Deadwood" is remiss in his duties, he must be disciplined, too. SP Schroeder should be taking up the matter at a higher council that can deal with the whole sorry lot.
In response to DK, saying: "YOU belong to the same church and by your testimony you are one in faith with them." Anonymous @ 4.51pm Jan 3rd replied:
"I hereby change my testimony to say that I seriously question whether I am in one faith with Ski, Glende, Jeske, Kelm, Hunter and/or Gunn. In fact, I reserve the right to say that I do not know them."
Couple of points. DK will not mind my pointing out.
Membership in a visible synod organization such as WELS is, of course does not necessarily equate with membership in the one true invisible church. To the latter, all believers belong, by faith in Christ alone.
However, whether one likes it or not, one's membership in WELS is a confession/testimony TO ALL THE WORLD, that one IS, thereby, in agreement with ALL that is publicly taught and done by WELS.
Whether one likes it or not, membership in WELS also means WELS members ARE in CLOSE Communion Fellowship (Altar and Pulpit fellowship IS Church Fellowship !)with all its fellow-members, that is, with the likes of Ski, Glende, Jeske, Kelm, Hunter, Gunn, and all the rest...
Again, whether one likes it or not, it is also true that the offerings of every single member of every single WELS congregation ACTIVELY SUPPORTS whatsoever the WELS administration chooses to spend those offerings on.
Alongside the formal protesting DK suggests, perhaps individual members/&, or whole congregations could consider witholding offerings from the WELS synod, until and unless DOCTRINAL DISICIPLINE is carried out, and is seen to be carried out ?
This may also encourage quietistic pastors to get involved in the goodfight, so that local churches (pastors & their people)and even entire Districts rise up in protest against do-nothing DPs, in demanding the purging of the synod from false teachers, false doctrine and all false practice that is foreign to Triglotta Lutherans.
May God grant it.
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