Saturday, October 23, 2010

Leading Lutheran Moms Astray at The CORE

Lutheran Moms

The Core in Appleton
Imah 515 posts
Posted by Imah on Jan 17, 2010 at 06:44 PM
     
We missed our regular church service this morning.  My DH and I decided we needed to get a few things done because time is tight before we both start our semesters of school.  So after working hard all day, I decided we'd try the Core in Appleton.  It's an outreach congregation and really cool.  The music is very contemporary-- in fact, all songs were songs I hear on 91.9 or the Q, 90.1.  The boys age 9 and 5 were happy to eat popcorn and drink water while listening to the service.  The place was comfortably full and everyone was smiling!!  I highly recommend going to a service.  It was fun!!  
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Coley22
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 on Jan 29, 2010 at 08:34 PM
  
  
Personally, I prefer a traditional service and I've also heard that The Core isn't really teaching God's Word so much. I think it's a step backwards for the WELS. If a church wants to do something more contemporary, that's fine, but what good is it if you're not even teaching God's Word?
  


Imah
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 on Jan 29, 2010 at 09:32 PM
  
  
I can agree with you, absolutely.  The service was uplifting and fun.  We definately will go to our church every Sunday morning for the traditional service.  I should have brought my bible along because they do all the services in sessions (sessions isn't the right word here but I am drawing a blank on a better description) they had the message and there was reference to the verses.   I prefer my pastor's sermons -- my kids looked at it as a treat and though we will probably go back at some point, I, too prefer our WELS church and will "treat" my kids to an occasional opportunity to worship there-- not in place of our home church. 
  


shesheshe
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 on Feb 02, 2010 at 06:47 AM
  
  
"A step backwards" ???  That made me giggle.  We visited The Core for the first time on Sunday.  We belong to a traditional WELS church and I too prefer the traditional service.  However, I found the service at The Core gave a traditional message in an untraditional way(and the rumors that they are not teaching God's word is untrue from the sermon I heard).  It is an outreach church and fills a void in the valley(Do the missionaries in Africa hand over the red hymnal and say this is how we worship?  I don't think so!!!!  My brother-in-law served in Africa)  Go and check it out before you talk about things you do not know.  Pastor Ski needs our prayers and support.  Just because The Core is not a fit for you, does not mean that it is wrong. 
  


JulieMomof5
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 on Feb 04, 2010 at 11:55 AM
  
  
Coley22, I hope you actually visit the CORE instead of just listening to rumors...
Just because the CORE focuses on theme-based sermons instead of on the lectionary doesn't mean it's not true to Scripture.  Not only have my DD17 and I visited the CORE (close to a dozen times for me, more for DD), but I've started getting involved on the creative end (at this point, helping come up with items for the Lenten season).  The truths of God's Word are emphasized, in terms that unchurched people can more easily understand (I like that Pastor Ski explains church terms when he uses them!).  The fill-in-the-blank folder makes it easier to remember what was said.  The visuals are used to reinforce the message.  Remember, the CORE's focus is REACHING OUT to the unchurched.  Pastor Ski likes to remind us not to cause unnecessary offense to others before introducing them to Jesus!  Too often, our "traditional" services risk doing just that.
Shesheshe put it well..."Just because The Core is not a fit for you, does not mean that it is wrong."


Julie
  


Coley22
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 on Feb 06, 2010 at 10:27 AM
  
  
I'm sorry if I've offended some people by stating a concern. The link I've posted below has some information regarding St. Peter's in Freedom, which is directly affiliated with the Core. This is a blog, so it's possible that some of the information may not be entirely true, however, I do think that it is food for thought.
http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/
Also, my DH and I listened to a couple of the sermons online. We have no interest in visiting the Core because we are not interested in going to a non-traditional worship. If that is what interests your family, great, I just hope that for everyone's sake, Pastor "Ski" is staying true to Scripture.
  


shesheshe
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 on Feb 12, 2010 at 11:40 AM
  
  
Coley22, I think you are missing the point....During the service, I thought of a lot of people in my life who do not go to church and are turned off by tradtional church(but have traditional values).   I feel blessed to have been able to go to this church and witness how they are reaching out to so many people.  Go and check it out and maybe you will feel compelled to get out and spread the word.  Not for you, but for some of our "unchurched" friends who need to find a home. 
  


JulieMomof5
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 on Feb 16, 2010 at 07:48 AM
  
  
Come hear Pastor Ski at the District Workshop on March 6 at FVL!
From the folder:  "This session [Be Relevant, #15] will explore why being relevant as a church is important and ways to be relevant as a church in order to reach young people ages nineteen through thirty-five who, statistically, are missing from churches today.  Examples will be given from Pastor Ski's experience with such worship at his church, the CORE, in Appleton as well as previous experiences at St. Marcus in Milwaukee."
Interested?  Ask your church for a registration form.  While you can drop in on March 6, you may find the session filled (or dropped due to lack of interest - I don't expect that to happen here!).  The only cost to you is lunch...
Schedule:  Registration 8:00, Worship 9:00, Session 1 9:30, Lunch 11:00, Session 2 12:00, Session 3 1:30, Closing devotion 3:00.  Sorry, there's no way to know ahead of time when Pastor Ski will be scheduled.
God willing, I'll be there!  Hope to meet some of you there as well...

7 comments:

d-pfeifer said...

Is popcorn tantamount to forbidden fruit? If so, the devil has excelled again.

Brett Meyer said...

The defense of the (W)ELS New Age Emergent effort at The Core was summed up well in this comment, "Pastor Ski likes to remind us not to cause unnecessary offense to others before introducing them to Jesus! Too often, our "traditional" services risk doing just that."

The offense of the traditional service.


It isn't about either traditional or contemporary/blended - it's the complete removal of traditional and permanent replacement with worship du jour from the New Age Satanic smorgasbord steeped in the culture of the world which hates Christ and the Triune God.

The Lutheran Synods and repeat after me Holy Mother Synod worshiping churches are swallowing this bilge by the bucket load.

rlschultz said...

What you draw people to church with is the same as what you keep them there with. If you concentrate on using gimmicks, as in visual aids, that is what they will always expect. When you have no more tricks up your sleeve, your alleged ministry will fall apart. The Crystal Cathedral is a good example. Doctrinal bankruptcy often leads to real bankruptcy.

TMoney42006 said...

RLschultz, I must beg to differ with your comment. The unregenerate will not come into a church seeking the same things a Christian will. You can say that the unregenerate that come into the Core do so for the wrong reason, but so do all the unregenerate people that come into any church! Only a believer can be motivated by the gospel to come to church. A person may come because of gimmicks, but they may also come because of social pressure, their belief that the good work of attending worship might satisfy their opinio legis, or a plethora of other reasons. What will keep them there is the Word of God, whether that word is read in a pew Bible, a bulletin, or even on a screen. It will accomplish the purpose that God has for it whether it's sung in 4 part harmony over an organ or by a soloist over a four piece band.

LutherRocks said...

Anonymoney...Please show where a method or gimmick was used in the Bible to bring people in. You're missing the point. It is the Word and the Word alone which brings people in. It is the work of the Holy Spirit through the Word. The church should be transforming society and not the other way around. To condemn liturgical worship in favor of contemporary worship nullifies the power of the Word. And that can work both ways.

JK

LutherRocks said...

I would also add to my last comment that the only reason that an unregenerate (to use your terminology) would come to church in the first place is because a seed was planted in their heart prior and the Holy Spirit was pricking their conscience.

JK

Brett Meyer said...

The BaptiMethoCostal enthusiasm has established itself in many if not most of the Lutheran churches. They no longer hold that the Word is solely and supremely efficacious and rely on the attractions of man's culture to tantilize and attract the masses.

What happened to church being the place where Christ's sheep are fed with the purely taught Word and rightly practiced Sacraments? Since the Word is denegrated to a "has been" the false doctrine of the (W)ELS Make Disciples of All Nations has taken it's place (Matthew 28:19, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. you see where they have perverted Christ's Word from teach all nations the Word to make disciples of all nations - very Charismatic of them). Church has become an evangelizing tool and feeding Christ's sheep is an after thought if not a hinderance and annoyance.

TMoney's ideas may sound harmless in theory to the naive but in practice the approach of "attracting" unbelievers confesses that the Word is not the only thing needful and rejects the nature, purpose and effect of the Law which is required to convict an unbeliever of their sin prior to hearing the Gospel promise. The reaction of the unregenerate to the Law is proof enough that the CG theories are a rejection of God's Word, Christ.