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Wednesday, November 17, 2010

UOJ Caricatures Promoted by Jay

UOJ is the foundation of Church Growth/Emergent Church.

Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Who Is In Charge of Doctrine in the Lutheran Churc...":

I read the Intrepid blog last night and saw that (W)ELS Pastor David Jay Webber was exposed as harboring essays on his website that promoted the exact UOJ caricatures he's been accusing the anti-UOJ Justification by Faith Alone defenders of fabricating.

Here's a quote Frederick Schroeder posted from Webber's theology website:
"On the other hand, this, that God forgives sin, signifies only the action of God that he proclaims to the sinner that his sin is taken away by the death of Christ and that he therefore gives him forgiveness so that he is to believe it, but without regard to whether he has already believed it or not, so that this act of forgiving sin by God cannot only happen without faith being there but first must occur without faith being there since faith cannot be worked otherwise, or know what it is to believe." Page 12

Pure Gold!

More here from Jay Webber - not websites--as advertised--but branches of the same one.


GJ - ELS Pastor Jay Webber and Ex-ELS Pastors Rolf Preus and Roger Kovaciny had no problem collecting money from Floyd Luther Stolzenburg, because UOJ is Antinomian: everyone is forgiven in advance.