Wednesday, August 3, 2011

The NNIV Process





From California:


The tragedy is twofold for not only do the resisters of approving NNIV need to oppose the NNIV, but also to understand and OPPOSE the system with which the synod uses to defeat them by:
1. wearing the NNIV opponents down with never ending facilitated meetings and discussions,
2. Isolating dedicated opposition when it becomes obvious they won't be "brought around"
3. Including softer opposition as a minority position but including it in a final predetermined "consensus" document.

Everyone thinks he has had a "say" in the final consensus, but has had no influence on the final outcome. The process is right out of the plethora of the "how to" manuals for change agents.

So fighting the NNIV with everything they have, will be within the constricts of all of the above. Having gone through the process, and having been either neutralized or isolated, then what? Reluctantly live with the NNIV or leave WELS.

Or going "completely passive" avoiding the dialectical system, and "letting WELS finish its self -destruction", then what? If or when the NNIV is consensually approved WELS has already been self destructing by passively accepting the "old NIV" and using it for more than a quarter of a century with an entire generation knowing nothing else. The tragedy is that the "old NIV" would probably be defended with everything the opponents of NNIV have if the issue were one of NIV or NNIV.

Either way, this controversy could be a godsend to give some courage and spine to reject all of the progeny the revisions and revisions of revisions since the committee commissioned in 1880's to update the English of KJV without replacing any of the manuscript evidence it translated was hijacked by the change agents of the day with different manuscript evidence. EVERY revised and contrived translation since then has used the different family of manuscript evidence to one degree or another since....even NKJV.

The women's shoes on Einstein are like the NIV or the ESV in Lutheran worship.
 
 


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Part II from Califonia
I can't say that any advice I can contribute is based entirely on "experience with WELS". It also includes many years of researching the subject of the "Process" which I discovered during battles with the government schools systems in late 1960's at the beginning of the planned deliberate dumbing down or "unfreezing of the system" in the secular arena. It was that experience and acquired knowledge of how the process works, which allowed me to recognize it when WELS adopted it (PPBS) at convention of 1967. I could see the process being used to dispatch the KJV to the wastebin of history, resulting in the eventual unofffical-official acceptance of NIV.

The process itself was one of the objections which fell on ears which could not accommodate the idea that men of WELS could possibly be party to such a system as I described. To suggest such a thing was to disrespect the pastors and leaders. The process was but one of several subjects about which I could not go along to get along...which at the time were, The Bible translation issue, the government grants to WELS schools, Humanist methodology being assimilated at MLC, and PPBS (the process of decision making, more than simply a different financial accounting system which is what it how it was described to inquirers).

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GJ - California has a lot of good advice, based on her experience with WELS. The tradition of double-talk is so embedded in the clergy that I doubt they will escape it. Someone pretends to be a conservative, leads followers along, then pushes them off the cliff. SP Schroeder just did that, as Gurgle did before him.

The truth is, WELS "conservatives" could not lead six drunks to men's restroom at Hooters. They would be too busy worrying about how that might break one of the 10,000 unwritten rules of the sect.

Sig Becker's lie was published, just like Valleskey's claim that his beloved Enthusiasts "downplay the Means of Grace."



16 comments:

Scott E. Jungen said...

Wow! Only 10,000 unwritten rules in the WELS? I thought there were many, many more.

Scott E. Jungen

Gregory L. Jackson said...

Those are the main ones, Scott.

bored said...

Don't forget the most important rule of them all: The self-imposed gag order.

It's terribly sad that people in the WELS have been controlled and cowed into silence and obedience since childhood. Stockholm syndrome, methinks.

Well captives, time to shake off the cobwebs of bewitchment. Don't let anyone silence your Christian Discernment with claims of 8th commandment. When you're confronted by that just remember: people DO get led astray by these boneheads. I know plenty. I was one myself. People do lose their faith and since your testimony is the Holy Spirit's, not yours, you have every reason to speak truth to power.

grumpy said...

Silly rabbit, Tricks are for Kids.

Silly Laity, the 8th Commandment is only for you....

The 8th Commandment is most commonly imposed when a called worker's authority is threatened.

Any comment is acceptable when made about the laity, especially if they are NOT present to defend themselves.

Remember, the called worker is sprinkled with magic dust which makes him infallible.

As a former pastor began to lose control of the congregation (mass exodus, appeals to the circuit pastor and district president with VERY mixed results, rapidly declining contributions) the 8th commandment became a rallying cry.

Scott E. Jungen said...

Sorry, Grumpy, that didn't work in my case. On at least two separate occasions I had congregational members speaking behind my back. Never did I have a chance to defend myself. I guess that magic dust must be just for pastors. Did I just break one of the 10,000 major rules?

Scott E. Jungen

Gregory L. Jackson said...

Rule 10,0001 - the magic dust is removed whenever someone questions Whorely Mother WELS. You must have done that Scott. The LCA had the same rule.

The local clergy in Columbus had no qualms about constant meddling in the congregation. Nor did the mission board. Nor did VP Paul Kuske.

Scott E. Jungen said...

OK, that's it! I didn't question Holy Mother Synod, but I didn't always agree with my former principal. I actually had an independent thought, and that was the crime.

Scott E. Jungen

Gregory L. Jackson said...

That would be enough.

Scott E. Jungen said...

So true, Dr. Jackson, so true!

Scott E. Jungen

John said...

I am so sick of Lutheran pastors/congregations declaring that one is guilty of sinning against "unwritten" rules.

If it ain't written, it ain't valid!!

Jack

grumpy said...

Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids.

Silly Scott Jungen, I was referring to pastors, not lowly no-account teachers.

Hope all is going well with your new job.

Scott E. Jungen said...

Grumpy,
It's good to still know where I stand, the bottom of the WELS barrel!
Thank you, the new job is going well. They tell me exactly what they want me to do, and I do it. It's refreshing!
I've taken on a new title: husband of a WELS called worker. My wife is now running a WELS pre-school. Doug the Unready actually did something good for my family by putting my wife's name on a call list.

Scott E. Jungen

grumpy said...

Good to hear that Scott.

Just a word of caution, since your wife is "back in the system" you may want to be a bit cautious about your postings....

Unlike the mob, family is not necessarily off limits in a religous dispute.

Grumps

LutherRocks said...

California is much wiser than their years...it is the end times. Careful study of Revelation brings into focus how the church enmeshes with government in the last days...look past synod lines...the remnants are out there...

Scott E. Jungen said...

Grumpy,
Thanks, you're probably right. It's not like my mouth (or in this case my keyboard) hasn't gotten me into trouble before.

Scott

Gregory L. Jackson said...

No one reads Ichabod. The Changers, who monitor every post, remind me of that fact from time to time.