Thursday, October 13, 2011

Make Smoke, Disappear.
Jay Webber and the Evangelical Lutheran Synod

"Pietists are orthodox when they agree with my opinions."






David Jay Webber said...
I knew that Rambach was a pietist. I was not using his observations on this verse to discredit Chemnitz, but to supplement Chemnitz. His exegesis and reflections stand on their own, and should be evaluated on their own merits, regardless of what he might have said on other topics on other occasions. And it is also clear that on this topic in particular, he was not inventing a new pietist notion, but was recapitulating the orthodox teaching of the orthodox theologian Quistorp. Theologians with pietist leanings were not wrong in everything they said, especially when they were repeating the sound teaching of orthodox theologians of earlier times.


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GJ - Quistorp is a theologian so obscure that people confuse the father and the son. As one Lutheran layman used to say, "Any excuse will do."

Pietism is Calvinism in the disguise of Lutheran doctrine and worship; therefore, it is neither Calvinism nor Lutheranism. Now we witness the Intrepid interloper, Jay Webber, defending Pietism when it supports his precious UOJ.

Walther was a cell-group Pietist who allied himself with another cell-group Pietist, Stephan. The Stephanites brought their cell group methods over the America, just as Stephan brought his Halle Pietism into his ministry.