Thursday, April 14, 2011

Because Stoeckhardt Was an Idiot

Making a hero out of a false teacher has been the modus operandi of the Shrinkers for decades.
They are eager to condemn Lenski for a doctrine they cannot comprehend - justification by faith.




LutherQuest (sic)

Pr. Jess Knauft (Jess)
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“Never in this sense do we hear it presented: I believe; I am conscious of the fact that I believe on my Savior. Therefore I am justified in the sight of God. A believing Christian does not make the pulse of his faith-life the criterion of his state of grace… The believer rather makes this conclusion: O, how godless I still am. Out of my heart godless thoughts continue to arise. There is no doubt but that I am a poor, unworthy sinner. My sin is ever before me. But now God’s Word tells me, that God has already declared godless Sinners righteous. Thus I belong without any doubt whatsoever in the number of those whom God justifies.” (St. Römerbrief, p. 185).

See
http://www.charis.wlc.edu/publications/charis_wint er04/braun.pdf

WAM Jr. was clearly influenced more by Lenski than by Stoechardt (sic) and it shows in some of his other theological writings.


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GJ - Notice the heading - 

Dr. Robert Preus' "repudiation" of OJ...

 

Maybe they discussed Preus' actual repudiation of UOJ earlier, but the current discussion that I saw was another exercise in repeating the talking points of Pietism, from Knapp (Halle University), the arch-theologian of mainline Universalism today.



Dr. Cruz and Others



LPC has left a new comment on your post "Fraud and Peculation in Modern Theology. Future Bo...":

Dr. GJ,

A PhD costs around $32,000 a year. A DMin is close to that, but the program only runs a short time since it is not a doctorate,

Wowser, I would never be able to do a PhD with that expense. If DMin is that close in expenses, it would be to the student's interest to recover that expense when he graduates, no?

LPC

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Catechesis has left a new comment on your post "Fraud and Peculation in Modern Theology. Future Bo...":

"The pastors who want to be known as Dr. are....."

That's interesting. The WELS teaching on the Office of the Holy Ministry is that pastors are teachers and teachers are pastors. Case in point. Check out the presenters listed in the "WELS National Conference on Worship, etc." mailer. No "Rev.", nor "Dr." either. Just us good ol' boys.

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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Insights from Gausewitz - By Brett Meyer":

Brett,

I wanted to add what does the power of the keys effect, if sins have been already remitted

Perfect argument, but do the UOJers have anything to say on this point?
Nothing, they just ignore this point and go on promoting UOJ.

LPC


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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Insights from Gausewitz - By Brett Meyer":

Brett,

Over here we still hear the pastor say "I absolve the sins of you who repent and believe".

This thankful inconsistency happens despite some pastors here being influenced by Walther's UOJness.

Your Icha-bud,

LPC




Catechesis has left a new comment on your post "The 99 Cent Kuske Catechism.Overpriced.":

Here's one for ya:

"Wir sind von dem Wisconsin Synode; wir machen kein 'show.'" We're from the Wisconsin Synod; we don't make a show. - August Pieper

Sounds like "emerging church" thinking to me.

Ben Wink Destroys the WELS Arguments
For Worshiping at an ELCA College



Ben Wink has left a new comment on your post "Why Does WELS Crave Worship ConferencesAt ELCA Col...":

Staffing is not an issue. Why not have a conference like this act as early field experience hour credits for students? Four days and you've earned hours. If you can find volunteers for other synodical events, you can find plenty of music focused students or others who would be able to help out at MLC so the idea of a lack of manpower doesn't hold water.

If you have three years to plan, you have three years to get the word out and plan for staffing. So some foresight can solve staffing problems and since they would be working for EFE hours, they would be working for free or for a small amount because they are actually working for the credit. Better yet, make it a mandatory part of the program!

If you have the cafeteria open enough, you can accommodate everybody and schedule accordingly. Just have it done like it is during the school year because the cafeteria manages to serve everyone in the course of a night without having standing room only. (Except for steak night of course.)

If it is nice enough outside have picnic tables set up and people can be seated. Have seating extend into the gymnasium if that isn't enough. Why not go into town and hit up the local restaurants that would appreciate the summer business on a random Wednesday in July.

Adapt, adopt, improve and don't just throw your arms up and say, "Oh, there's just no way that would work let's go somewhere else." That way of thinking is just as asinine as having your synod's conference within spitting distance of your own synod's campus. That way of thinking also led to an $8 million chapel, but I digress.

Frankly having it at Gustavus you could treat it as a Travel Canvass Witness because those people haven't heard the Word in a loooong time.

Also I guess why have the conference in Minnesota at all? Why not have it at WLC in Milwaukee? They have facilities as well. And at least the WLC campus is kinda sorta somewhat affiliated with WELS. Their dorms are even air conditioned.

Finally the letter I received yesterday from WELS President Schroeder said that the reasons that the conference was not held at MLC were that the chapel was too small and that there was no air conditioning.

Can't get more official than that I suppose.

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GJ - I see the Ichabod effect at work again. The SP has to defend this anti-confessional and wasteful event in writing. These ELCA-based events have been going on for a long time.

When I mentioned this while in the CLC, about 18 years ago, that Prof Tiefel was having a pan-denominational worship event at Carthage College (ELCA), Tiefel's cousin in the CLC went Medieval on me. First he accused me of making it all up. I pointed out to the CLC guillotine committee that I had the poster on my desk as I wrote it up. That was a temporary setback for them, but they soldiered on.

When I asked Otten to publish some information about it, he spiked the story. I kept after him until it was finally included as a minor note in the back of the paper (as I recall). I was attacked by the CLC for publishing in Christian News, because that was "fellowship." But they could, because they wrote letters while I wrote articles. Yes, someone can flatline and still serve as a pastor. There is hope for many.

Eventually, Otten refused to publish anything by me or anything positive about my writing. I was honored to have several apostate sects wanting me silenced at once, and the very independent pastor in New Haven was only too happy to oblige them.

Looking back over 18 years, WELS has had plenty of time to work out details for a less obnoxious worship venue, one that does not have to be boring or stilted, as SP Schroeder was eager to say.

Every event that gives ELCA credibility is a disgrace to all Christians.

A sect shameless enough to post a gay college video (WELS - Party in the MLC) is also shameless enough to make excuses for showing solidarity with ELCA while denouncing ELCA.

ELS And WELS Are Dead, Not Asleep


One Eponymous Archon (https://me.yahoo.com/oneeponymousarchon) has left a new comment on your post "Missouri Synod Has Dropped Lawsuit Against the Cal...":

Dear Dr. Jackson,

It's not a matter of "waking up" for ELS & WELS. It's a matter of rising from the dead! The vast majority of their Pastors are completely dead in both the head and heart. They have no brains anymore to see the heresy in their synods, and even if they did they have no heart - no guts - to attack it.

A few - very few - are fighting, but even they do not understand that the battle to turn their synods from heresy is already over and already lost. They still hold out hope for a return to confessionalism. Sorry, such is not possible as long as the District officers and headquarters administrator and seminary professors are all mind-numbed cowards who only want to get paid for no work and keep that up until they can retire out here to sunny S. CA. WELS and ELS are not asleep, they are dead. And only God can wake the dead! Or so I see it. I'm just -

One Eponymous Archon

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GJ - With the Sword of the Spirit, the dead in Christ can be raised. But the vast majority tremble at the sound of COP hooves, not at the Word of God.

Missouri Synod Has Dropped Lawsuit
Against the California Women.
Stealing Church Property Getting Tougher


Some of us remember congregational property rights.

California/Hawaii has dropped their lawsuit where they tried to steal a multi-million dollar property from a few elderly members.

ELCA congregations are leaving with their property.

When will the WELS/ELS congregations wake up and leave their cults?

Fraud and Peculation in Modern Theology.
Future Book Reviews


I owe a few book reviews. One post will take a look at several modern theologians. Here I am, vowing not to read modern theologians or buy catechisms, yet having them arrive by mail daily.

This is a thumbnail or preview. Modern theology, like modern Lutheranism, is full of fraud and peculation.

Fraud - the theologians have no "theo" in them. They use Christian terminology without the content, without knowing God or trembling at His Word.

Peculation is a nifty word I learned from obsessive reading. Peculation means embezzlement. I looked up the tuition charges at Duke University - for a PhD or a DMin. A PhD costs around $32,000 a year. A DMin is close to that, but the program only runs a short time since it is not a doctorate, just a fake one for preening pastors.

Mrs. Ichabod was offended that someone wrote to me and used Mr. instead of Dr.

I said, "The pastors who want to be known as Dr. are DMin Larry Olson, DMin Rich Krause, DMin Paul Calvin Kelm, DMin Steve Witte, DMin John Parlow. They have diminished the title as much as they have the word Lutheran. That's why we are Church of the Augsburg Confession."

The under-worked theology faculties (at Lutheran seminaries too) are demanding huge salaries from students who must borrow enormous sums of money to support their untheological professors. The Lutheran ones, too, are engaged in massive faud. They may believe in God, and have a sentimental attachment to the Bible, but they are not Lutheran.

The difference between an ELCA seminary professor and a Syn Conference seminary professor is slight in both respects. ELCA pays better, but its system is also imploding.

But a Missouri Campus Would Be Anathema



Catechesis has left a new comment on your post "Why Does WELS Crave Worship Conferences At ELCA Col...":

The craziness of it all is that there would have been more criticism if the conference had been held on a Missouri Synod campus. Go figure.

http://www.welshistory.org/files/Vol18No1pp21-32.pdf

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GJ - The COP got their Depends in a knot only when a WELS conference was going to feature Kent Hunter (LCMS Shrinker) and Waldo Werning (LCMS Shrinker). When Paul Calvin Kelm hosted Leonard Sweet (Methodist New Ager) for Church and Change, his own list-members went Medieval on him - but the conference went ahead and the COP did not nix it. WELS officially hated Martin Marty in one of their publications, when he was LCMS - reason enough for split. But the same WELS loved the same Martin Marty when he was an ELCA member and spoke at a joint ELCA-WELS-LCMS evangelism conference and at WLC.

WELS breeds a peculiar hatred of the Missouri Synod in each and every Sausage Factory graduate. A typical WELS story will have Missouri hopelessly behind in Biblical languages and sadly lacking in other areas. Or they have a Missouri visitor at a conference expressing awe at the wonderfulness of the Wisconsin Sect, concluding with misty eyes, "You don't realize what you have." Cue violins. Get out hankies. Pause in humble thankfulness that God still has WELS doing the heavy-lifting.

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