Tuesday, January 3, 2012

Abused and Neglected Children Become Church Leaders

The Shrinkers claim that they want to help their church,
but they are really getting even with authority figures:
their parents, teachers, and God.
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Adolph Hoenecke has left a new comment on your post "Abused and Neglected Children Become Church Leader...":

One of the saddest things ever said to me was by a co-worker whose father was a WELS synod official, "My dad was never home."

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GJ - I heard DP Free say he was never home, and he was boasting, as WELS leaders do, about all the work they do. In contrast, Sam Walton was known for the time he spent hunting with his dawgs, and trips with his family when he also checked on his stores.

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grumpy has left a new comment on your post "Abused and Neglected Children Become Church Leader...":

I am not sure how much sympathy to have for PK's (Pastor's Kids)...

First, there are a LOT of peoples whose fathers (non Pastors) did NOT simply work a 9 to 5 job, with weekends off.

Second, many pastors I have known spend a great deal of time at home during the week. True, they are in the pulpit on Sundays and Holidays when it seems like everyone else gets to spend some time with their families, but this is simply the exact opposite of their parishioners men who are gone during much of the week.

Third, true, pastors are on call, but they have a lot of down time...they can seek their kids during the day when most other fathers can't.

A lot of people can say "my dad was never home", but can add "because he was making a decent life for his loved ones".

Grumps

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GJ - Grumpy - Adolph said "a WELS synod official." They are not pastors.

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grumpy has left a new comment on your post "Abused and Neglected Children Become Church Leader...":

Oops, sorry...although most synodical officials in the WELS have MDIV degrees....

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GJ - They probably do, but that does not make them pastors. They consider themselves executives and make sure they make even more money than seminary professors.

10 comments:

Adolph Hoenecke said...

One of the saddest things ever said to me was by a co-worker whose father was a WELS synod official, "My dad was never home."

grumpy said...

I am not sure how much sympathy to have for PK's (Pastor's Kids)...

First, there are a LOT of peoples whose fathers (non Pastors) did NOT simply work a 9 to 5 job, with weekends off.

Second, many pastors I have known spend a great deal of time at home during the week. True, they are in the pulpit on Sundays and Holidays when it seems like everyone else gets to spend some time with their families, but this is simply the exact opposite of their parishioners men who are gone during much of the week.

Third, true, pastors are on call, but they have a lot of down time...they can seek their kids during the day when most other fathers can't.

A lot of people can say "my dad was never home", but can add "because he was making a decent life for his loved ones".

Grumps

grumpy said...

Oops, sorry...although most synodical officials in the WELS have MDIV degrees....

Adolph Hoenecke said...

The gentleman to which I was referring is/was a WELS pastor.

Gregory L. Jackson said...

Funny how no one can get them back into a parish once they have tasted the delights of being executives.

Brett Meyer said...

Gurgle must be an exception - hiding in plain sight.

Adolph Hoenecke said...

I should have been more specific, the gentleman retired as a synod official.

Gregory L. Jackson said...

They always "long to be back in the parish, in the front lines," but never go back.

Adolph Hoenecke said...

I'm tempted to say they long to go back until they remember the long hours vesus the more set schedule of the Synod HQ. But then that would turn this discussion full circle, wouldn't it?

Gregory L. Jackson said...

The real work is done by the parish pastors, who also raise the salaries and benefits and deluxe travel benefits of the executives. However, the executives lord it over the pastors and treat them like dirt.

Executives give the same awful sermon everywhere and get extra money for their labor. They spend a lot of time away from home, the most important congregation of all.

Executives have no problem with promoting a known adulterous pastor or a false teacher (often a two-fer-one special). Ever wonder why?