Friday, March 2, 2012

Dr. Lito Cruz Reads Ichabod Too,
Noticing How the Opponents Cannot Stop

UOJ fanatics are so-o-o manly.


LPC has left a new comment on your post "Probably from Paul McCain, MDiv, Anonymously on t...":

Dr. Greg,

Fake Ichabod could simply not stop reading this blog. They keep telling people to ignore you yet, they come over and read you and then react.

As I said, each time we turn, we see the inconsistency of UOJers because UOJ is also filled with inconsistencies in the first place.

Fake Ichabod even argued that Lutherans got the liturgy from Rome.

Yet I read somewhere that Luther also reformed the Roman liturgy, hence, it is not entirely Roman replication.

Fake Ichabod is typical of UOJers, he always misses the point of your arguments.

If I may venture I hear your argument as saying that the new 3 year cycle is actually Vatican II inspired, and so Rome is breaking away with old church tradition and establishing its own justifications for its innovation. Thus Lutherans are being naive and mindless in following Rome in that direction.

Fake Ichabod thinks that because this is adiaphora, Lutherans should follow Rome in it. This is actually I think a real misunderstanding of adiaphora.

Precisely because it is adiaphora, the Lutherans need not follow it, I thought that was the point in you post about Lutherans being naive.

LPC

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GJ - The Church of Rome initiated the three-year lectionary cycle. ELCA followed, then LCMS and WELS.  The pope also began the new liturgical colors - and the Lutherans followed. The Roman Catholics dropped the gesima Sundays, moving Transfiguration to Quinquagesima, and the Lutherans followed. Doubtless other mainline groups did, too.

If Rome is the gold standard in worship, the Lutherans should expect their ministers to become Roman Catholics.

The Sausage Factory (WELS) teaches their students to ignore the Book of Concord, because it is "boring and irrelevant." But they cite the adiaphora article as an excuse to do whatever they want. It is an odd combination of fealty to Rome and Fuller Seminary, with no discernment whatsoever.

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Narrow-minded Lutheran has left a new comment on your post "Dr. Lito Cruz Reads Ichabod Too, Noticing How the ...":

TLH 292:

"Lord Jesus Christ, With Us Abide"
by Nikolaus Selnecker, 1532-1592

6. The haughty spirits, Lord, restrain
Who o'er Thy Church with might would reign
And always set forth something new,
Devised to change Thy doctrine true.

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churchmousec (http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Dr. Lito Cruz Reads Ichabod Too, Noticing How the ...":

Thank you, Dr Jackson, for pointing out that this is a Vatican II innovation -- many churchgoers are probably unaware of that fact.

Churchmouse

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GJ - You are right, ChurchMouse. Many are ignorant of the facts, because their leaders deceive them.

For example, WELS pretended they HAD to adopt the feminist language of the unionistic-feminist creeds they published their Christian Worship. But obviously they adopted what they favored and supported. They even had their heresiarch Teddy Hartwig arguing for "fully human" in two publications. Who held the gun to their heads? No one.

They do not tell their members that they are obeying orders from the Vatican and running off the cliff with their mainline liberal partners. The apostates are united in a common unbelief.