From Lito Cruz:
I posted on Fake Ichabod let's see if they do not moderate it.
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The Real Calvinists are the UOJers. I tell you why...
1.) UOJers follow the same paradigm as Calvinists. Like Calvinists, UOJers equate the Atonement with Justification only in the case of Calvinism, the Calvinist conclude Atonement is limited. While the UOJers conclude justification is for all.
2. Here is where UOJers are also similar in paradigm but in the opposite direction. When the pronouns "we", "our" are used for all people in Scripture, Calvinists think these refer to the elect. When the pronouns "we", "our" are used for the saints in Scripture, UOJers think these refer to the world. JBFA people are the ones who get these pronouns correct. The point is that it is your paradigm and method of interpretation that make you Calvinistic and in fact UOJers are crypto-Universalist.
So you do not believe since you are Universalists you can not be a Calvinists? Sure you can be, just look at Karl Barth and the present Unitarians, they all began in Calvinism.
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GJ - Karl Barth was profoundly influenced by Schleiermacher, the Halle Pietist who pioneered faith without belief.
I will post more on Calvin tomorrow.
The Barth Home
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| Who is standing close to the old goat Karl? - Charlotte Kirschbaum. and who is standing farthest away? - his wife. Truly Karl was the model for the Church Growth leader, just as he was the official theologian for Fuller Seminary. |
