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If WELS was (sic, contrary to fact, no he's right - it's a private incestuous club) a private club, it could admit and expel members arbitrarily, in secret, in accordance with its own set of man-made rules. But WELS is a holy church. It is bound by the rules of conduct set forth in holy scripture (Matt. 18:15-18) and the Lutheran Confessions (Large Catechism; Ten Commandments; 279, 280).
"In essence the various groupings in Jesus' name for the proclamation of His Gospel all lie on the same plane. They are all Church in one and the same sense, namely in this sense that on the basis of the marks of the Church the Lord lets us apprehend the presence of the una sancta (the Holy Christian Church) in each such grouping of people, and thus enables us to acknowledge them as gatherings of believers possessing the ministry of the keys with the right of exercising this ministry in accordance with the considerations of love and order." WELS Theses on Church and Ministry.
"In essence the various groupings in Jesus' name for the proclamation of His Gospel all lie on the same plane. They are all Church in one and the same sense, namely in this sense that on the basis of the marks of the Church the Lord lets us apprehend the presence of the una sancta (the Holy Christian Church) in each such grouping of people, and thus enables us to acknowledge them as gatherings of believers possessing the ministry of the keys with the right of exercising this ministry in accordance with the considerations of love and order." WELS Theses on Church and Ministry.
Anonymous said..."Daniel Gorman" is a fake name, and behind it lurks a guy who is, well, how to say it, "Off his rocker" is perhaps a more technical way of putting it. (sic, run on sentence)
He rants routinely on LutherQuest in a manner than (sic) only but (sic) be regarded as nothing less than delusional.
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GJ - Let's leave that phrase alone, just to admire it - "in a manner than only but be regarded as..."
No wonder he had trouble with Greek and doctrine.
How exactly does a nameless blogger accuse someone else of being anonymous? That is so WELS.
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Daniel Gorman said...
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Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "WELS Really Is a Private, Incestuous Club":
Ichabod -
Sometimes what you post on your website leaves (to be desired) more questions than answers.
Could you explain the first picture of your posting? This pic without captioned information makes one wonder, - as the old adage does express, that "a picture is worth a thousand words."
Who are those young men in [apparent] celebratory suits? What are they apparently celebrating? Why are the two (seated) all over each other, hugging so?
And, it almost appears that the two young men right beside the two seated, are posing as best men. Could this really be so? Is there a picture of a cake you are not posting?
How exactly does a nameless blogger accuse someone else of being anonymous? That is so WELS.
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Daniel Gorman said...
Anonymous, 8/2 11:15 am: "Daniel, so are you telling me that you believe when Jesus said in Mt 18 "tell it to the church" that he meant "everyone included in the Holy Christian Church," in which case we would need to make everything public for every Christian on the planet. If you are not claiming that, why would you be included in "church" as it relates to a local congregation and the district presidium?"
Because "there is upon earth a little holy group and congregation of pure saints, under one head, even Christ, called together by the Holy Ghost in one faith, one mind, and understanding, with manifold gifts, yet agreeing in love, without sects or schisms. I am also a part and member of the same, a sharer and joint owner of all the goods it possesses..." Large Catechism, Of the Creed.
I am a part and a member, a sharer, and a joint owner in every baptism and every excommunication that the holy church of the AzCa District performs. I have every right to know that its baptisms and excommunications are performed according to Christ's command.
Anonymous, 8/2 11:15 am: "Or do you believe that because the WELS is also a church that every local congregation must bring every excommunication before the entire Synod?"
No, as the WELS Theses on Church and Ministry states, "In essence the various groupings in Jesus' name for the proclamation of His Gospel all lie on the same plane. They are all Church in one and the same sense, namely in this sense that on the basis of the marks of the Church the Lord lets us apprehend the presence of the una sancta (the Holy Christian Church) in each such grouping of people, and thus enables us to acknowledge them as gatherings of believers possessing the ministry of the keys with the right of exercising this ministry in accordance with the considerations of love and order."
The local church, the district church, and the synod church all lie on the same plane. They all have the right of excommunication and they all have a responsibility to conduct each excommunication in accordance with scripture and the Lutheran Confessions.
Because "there is upon earth a little holy group and congregation of pure saints, under one head, even Christ, called together by the Holy Ghost in one faith, one mind, and understanding, with manifold gifts, yet agreeing in love, without sects or schisms. I am also a part and member of the same, a sharer and joint owner of all the goods it possesses..." Large Catechism, Of the Creed.
I am a part and a member, a sharer, and a joint owner in every baptism and every excommunication that the holy church of the AzCa District performs. I have every right to know that its baptisms and excommunications are performed according to Christ's command.
Anonymous, 8/2 11:15 am: "Or do you believe that because the WELS is also a church that every local congregation must bring every excommunication before the entire Synod?"
No, as the WELS Theses on Church and Ministry states, "In essence the various groupings in Jesus' name for the proclamation of His Gospel all lie on the same plane. They are all Church in one and the same sense, namely in this sense that on the basis of the marks of the Church the Lord lets us apprehend the presence of the una sancta (the Holy Christian Church) in each such grouping of people, and thus enables us to acknowledge them as gatherings of believers possessing the ministry of the keys with the right of exercising this ministry in accordance with the considerations of love and order."
The local church, the district church, and the synod church all lie on the same plane. They all have the right of excommunication and they all have a responsibility to conduct each excommunication in accordance with scripture and the Lutheran Confessions.
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Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "WELS Really Is a Private, Incestuous Club":
Ichabod -
Sometimes what you post on your website leaves (to be desired) more questions than answers.
Could you explain the first picture of your posting? This pic without captioned information makes one wonder, - as the old adage does express, that "a picture is worth a thousand words."
Who are those young men in [apparent] celebratory suits? What are they apparently celebrating? Why are the two (seated) all over each other, hugging so?
And, it almost appears that the two young men right beside the two seated, are posing as best men. Could this really be so? Is there a picture of a cake you are not posting?
