solafide (http://solafide.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Exegetes Unite - Abraham Is the Common Theme in Ju...":
Given their own definitions:
Objective Justification = Christ died for ALL SIN.
Subjective Justification = Christ died FOR YOUR SIN.
If Christ "died for ALL SIN" did not happen, then how do you know that Christ died FOR YOUR SIN.
I am wondering how the UOJ'ers reconcile the fact that Abraham was justified for his faith alone, BEFORE the Objective Justification they so love happened at Calvary.
Simple answer: They can't. They ignore it.
As a note to Brett Meyer, since I am not allowed to post on LutherQuest:
This is from a WELS Professor, who will remain nameless for his own protection:
"the "all" in Ro 3:23 is not all people, believers and unbelievers alike, but all the believers who were just mentioned in verse 22."
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GJ -
Faith/believe times five - not all times two. This is one of many classic justification by faith passages in the Bible. Only a doofus could turn it into UOJ - but there is a boundless supply of doofi.
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KJV Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
The red all is not in the text and is not even found in the old NIV.
Romans 3:22-28
New New International Version (NIV)
22 This righteousness is given through faith in[a] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all [sic] are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[b] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. 27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
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By clamoring for the New NIV, the Mequon faculty has revealed its identification with National Council of Churches/World Council of Churches thinking - "Why can't we all simply disbelieve together?" And they do.
Sola - the Abraham problem is a reason why the UOJ Hive never ventures beyond their shallow talking-points. They cannot harmonize the Catechism with their nonsense. To see the Scriptures as a whole, which we must do, is impossible for them.
If WELS is forced to back down from the NNIV, they will still propagandize for it at Mequon, until they get what they want.
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| Wendland smuggled UOJ into his brain-washing sessions, titled Justification by Faith. Typical UOJ misdirection of the mind. |
