David Boisclair has left a new comment on your post "Another Plea for UOJ: Tragedy, Pity, Incomplete Se...":
I appreciate the courteous conversation, which LPC continues. As to the "us" of Romans 4:25 it could also refer to the "us" of all humanity as well as to the "us" of the regenerated (renati).
LPC states, "...there is no justification of the unbleiver (sic) while he is in the state of unbelief" is true if one speaks of justification here as the conferral and reception of forgiveness by saving faith--such conferral and reception is necessary for salvation. When a person is an unbeliever, he is not saved (Heb. 11:6). I reiterate: I am not a Universalist.
The doctrine of Objective Justification is solidly opposed to Calvinism with its teaching of a limited atonement. Objective Justification is the perfect atonement of Christ that is the object of saving faith. Christ died for the sins of the whole world of sinners, and His resurrection is God's declaration that all sins are atoned for.
Lutheran doctrine also opposes the Calvinist doctrine of Irresistible Grace because it is the biblical doctrine of the resistibility of grace as it comes to us through means, the means of grace. While we teach the divine monergism that if a person is saved it is all God's doing (sola gratia) yet we believe that the person does have the power of resisting God's saving grace as it comes to him in the means of grace. I would add too that God only comes to us by Gospel Word and Sacrament. As you can see I am not an Enthusiast (Schwaermer).
Another point is that it is wrong to speak of two justifications: there is only one. It involves the following: 1) God's saving grace, 2) Christ's perfect vicarious atonement, 3) the Gospel of Christ, and 4) the Holy Spirit's gift of saving faith in the heart of the individual who hears that Gospel or who receives Baptism or the Lord's Supper.
---
Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "David Clearwood Boisclair - Trying To Rescue Roman...":
Rev. Boisclair, your entire statement is contrary to Scripture. They are classic UOJ defenses but because Scripture never teaches Objective Justification they are taken out of context and thereby change and pervert Christ’s Word.
You state that “us” in Romans 4:25 could mean all of humanity and thereby teach the whole unbelieving world has been justified by Christ’s atonement. Here is the context of that verse:
Romans 4: 22 through Romans 5:2
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Dr. Cruz was correct when asserting Rom. 4:25 refers only to believers. Verse 22-24: the imputation of Christ’s righteousness is only through faith unto those who believe in Christ. Verse 1 of Chapter 5 extends and clarifies the declaration in verse 25 of Chapter 24 that the justification in 24 is by faith alone. And the peace, or grace, with God through Christ’s atonement is a result of being justified by faith.
Rev. Boisclair states, ”LPC states, "...there is no justification of the unbeliever (sic) while he is in the state of unbelief" is true if one speaks of justification here as the conferral and reception of forgiveness by saving faith—“
Please note that the BOC rejects UOJ’s perversion and only acknowledges two teachings regarding the use of Justification in Scripture and neither apply to unbelievers as Rev. Boisclair and the false gospel of UOJ would have everyone believe.
The Christian Book of Concord, 71] “but we maintain this, that properly and truly, by faith itself, we are for Christ's sake accounted righteous, or are acceptable to God. And because "to be justified" means that out of unjust men just men are made, or born again, it means also that they are pronounced or accounted just. For Scripture speaks in both ways. [The term "to be justified" is used in two ways: to denote, being converted or regenerated; again, being accounted righteous. Accordingly we wish first to show this, that faith alone makes of an unjust, a just man, i.e., receives remission of sins".
http://www.bookofconcord.org/defense_4_justification.php
Rev. Boisclair, “Objective Justification is the perfect atonement of Christ that is the object of saving faith.”
No, it is false teaching to make OJ the object of faith. Throughout Scripture, as you were abundantly shown during the Intrepid discussion, the object of faith is Christ. UOJ: false object, false gospel.
Cont...
---
Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "David Clearwood Boisclair - Trying To Rescue Roman...":
Cont...
You deny being an enthusiast but the doctrine of UOJ teaches the whole world of unbelievers were declared by God’s divine verdict to be forgiven all sin: justified, righteous and guiltless before God and worthy of eternal life – all while remaining under the Law, at war with Christ, alive to sin, under the dominion of the Devil and under God’s wrath and condemnation. You deny being a Universalist but you have used Romans 5:18, “Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.” as a sedes passage for Objective Justification which applies to the whole unbelieving world – when Rom 5:18 teaches that the justification spoken of is eternal life – “…unto justification of life.” You claim not be a Universalist (as most UOJists attempt) just as Jeffrey Dahmer said he wasn’t a cannibal. Your confession speaks for itself.
An important point for everyone studying the doctrine of Objective Justification. UOJists definition of Atonement, Redemption, Faith and the three solas are all contrary to Scripture’s definitions. Note how Rev. Boisclair’s phrase, ”saving faith.” The faith of a UOJist is not the righteousness of Christ by which an individual clings to Christ alone for the forgiveness of his sins. Faith is simply the receiving instrument by which the individual receives the benefit of the forgiveness God already bestowed – eternal life. So the phrase “saving faith” is a denial of Christ’s righteousness, the effect of being forgiven by God and the Gospel of Christ.
