Tuesday, March 12, 2013

Follow Up on Hunnius - The Righteousness of Faith



Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Hunnius Has an Excellent Summary of the Pre-Existe...":

I cannot recommend enough the follow-up Hunnius translation to Rydecki's Theses Opposed to Huberianism which is called "A Clear Explanation Of The Controversy Among The Wittenberg Theologians Concerning Regeneration And Election: (subtitled: With a refutation of the arguments that Dr. Samuel Huber has thus far brought into the midst of Dr. Aegidius Hunnius, Polycarp Leyser, Solomon Gesner, etc., in defense of his opinion.)

It utterly destroys the prevalent contention that the false gospel Samuel Huber taught in his rationalist doctrine of UOJ is different than the false gospel of UOJ being taught by Rev. Boisclair and the Seventh Day Adventists, New Age Religion, ELCA, LCMS, WELS and ELS.

The double mindedness which the doctrine of UOJ imposes upon the Triune God is enough to label it a heresy worthy of the final days of a wicked world.

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Christian Schulz has left a new comment on your post "Follow Up on Hunnius":

What I find telling/disturbing is that if anyone has been in a debate with UOJers and you cite numerous passages of Scripture and the Fathers to them about how there is only one justification that happens by the gift of faith, they'll always cite their devilish, philosophical, man-made dichotomy just as Huber did, that, "well, they're only talking about subjective justification." Well, the fact of the matter is that all the Fathers talk about a subjective justification because that's the only justification of the sinner that exists. Here's how Huber did the same thing; and I think we can all honestly agree that he logically pulled the same stuff with his universal justification despite that this quote deals only with his universal election. Surely Hunnius quoted JBFA passages and got the same response, don't you think -- especially for those involved in these debates? Hunnius as follows: "Among his fallacies also this: whenever the saying either of Scripture or the Church oppose him -- when they teach that predestination pertains only to those who persevere and remain believers in the Son toil to the end --, his [Huber's] immediate response is usually that 'those sayings only have to do with individual election and do not, for that reason, overturn the universal election.'"

I mean really, these translations, to a normal person, is evidence mounting higher and higher against the UOJ position. I've still never seen their claim that Huber was [not] a Universalist backed up with evidence other than their own testimonies from thin air. They roar about that all the time in an attempt to separate their teachings, but the only people with evidence on the Huber - Lutheran debate are JBFA people. Their (UOJ adherents) only argument is from majority consensus (majority as far as alive people in charge of the synods go) just as the papists had in the Reformation.

Our congregation just finished a study of Luther's Commentary on Galatians,
and Galatians itself.
Now we are on Romans, using Luther's Romans Commentary.
The UOJ Hive quotes Walther and Becker - it is to laugh.


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GJ - I supplied a missing [not] above.