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| ELCA Bishop Guy Erwin with a bust of what's-his-name. Quota jobs keep others out. |
narrow-minded has left a new comment on your post "Legalistic for a Time, Then Anything Goes - ELCA a...":
"Someone on the ALPB Forum made this point about Guy Erwin - all the long-standing rules were broken to ordain him in a hurry (MDiv, CPE requirement, etc)"
I also find it ironic how rules are bent to accommodate apostasy.
One particular thing I noticed from Pr. Rydecki's excellent paper was that he specified Huber not being an outright Universalist at that time. However, allowing the slightest error to get its foot in the door will always lead to the worst possible conclusion, given enough time.
Tolerance of UOJ will eventually lead to Universalism, as it already has in ELCA/ECUSA. How long until the "conservatives" become outright Universalists.
"Selling" church will eventually lead to a Father's Day motorcycle giveaway (this actually happened here at a local church). Allowing a few praise songs from the rock band will eventually lead to popcorn and bagel worship. Occasionally substituting the Liturgy with a pep talk will lead to anthropocentric rah-rah sessions. Female ordination leads to homosexual ordination. Gospel Reductionism leads to Antinomianism.
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GJ - In the 1960s, I left one of the proto-Church Growh churches, where the pastor "performed all the marriages," and spoke at the Kiwanis lunches (same speech), and indulged in similar gimmicks. He may have driven down the aisle on a motorcycle. I know he arrived at church in a fire truck, wearing his white chaplain's hat. Peter Pan (WELS) might want to try that. He is a fire department chaplain too. His favorite websty is Babtist.
That Moline congregation is/was Disciples of Christ, belonging to a denomination that affiliated with the almost-Unitarian United Church of Christ (once Congregational, plus some other old mainline groups). The Disciples managed to drive off their Biblical ministers while retaining the radicals, who clearly ran the show.
I was so impressed with the Lutheran liturgical service at the congregation I joined on my own - LCA but still Augustana Synod. I remember members saying, "We're Swedish but not like Sweden, if you know what I mean."
Now I am one of the hold-outs, using a traditional Lutheran hymnal and liturgical service. No feminist creed. No hymns about planning. No praise band.
And I see the so-called conservative Lutherans busy training their members to leave the shattered remains of Lutherdom for generic, market-oriented, life-coaching Protestantism.
Quotas Work - Look at ELCA
ELCA began in 1987 with a quota system in place, and that included a quota for active homosexual and lesbians on all the controlling commissions and committees. Why not? WELS hero Richard Jungkuntz, who was passionate about UOJ, chaired the board of the first gay Lutheran seminary - Seminex.
The original rules for ordination meant that Guy Erwin could not become a pastor because he co-habited with another man. This did not keep him from ELCA parish positions, and his lobbying group overturned the rules in 2009.
His lobbying group (or groups) represent perhaps 2% of the population, so how could they dominate an entire denomination that still adhered to heterosexual marriage when it was formed? The quotas meant that a 2% faction could force its position on everyone until anyone questioning it would be automatically excluded from being on the same commission.
The new rubric is that someone cannot be silent on activism but must loudly agree with it or be condemned as a bigot.
The same radicalism has slowly overturned anything worthwhile in WELS and Missouri, using UOJ as their battle cry. I have traced its cancerous growth, accompanied by Church Growth, so I will not repeat the history lesson. Quotas work in WELS and Missouri too - not to mention the micro-mini factions like the Little Sect on the Prairie. Pope John the Malefactor is a UOJ Stormtrooper, and Jay Webber is his prophet.
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| Have you noticed how the lop-sided smile turns up on apostates? It reveals an ambiguous attitude. Block one half of Bell's face. That is the sad part of the personality. |
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| Jeske's twisted smile speaks volumes. |
