     Brett Meyer (Brett_meyer) Member Username: Brett_meyer Post Number: 106 Registered: 1-2008 |
<i>"No, I was saying that the passage can't refer to Christians..."<.i> Franz, then your statement would have stated, “Nowhere <s>else</s> in Holy Scripture are believers referred to by God as ungodly.” including the word 'else' changes the meaning of the sentence to state that this was the only place in Scripture that believers are refered to as ungodly. Which is understandable since David J. Webber, ELS UOJ advocate, has taught, "In Christ, as God looks at the world through Christ, all are under divine mercy and are forgiven, and are therefore invited to believe and be saved. But outside of Christ, as God looks at the world apart from Christ, all are under divine wrath and judgment, and are condemned. The same people - namely all people - are under consideration in each case." 6:40AM Extra Nos / Grinding My Axe With your comment (faithful to UOJ) you come to the conclusion that God has justified the ungodly who remain under the Law and the crimson rags of mortal sin. Gerhard rejects your teaching here: Gerhard: "With ἀóåâῆ [ungodly], the ungodly is not understood as remaining securely in his ungodliness without repentance (Prov. 17:15), but as he comes out of it through repentance and faith. This one is judged as righteous before the judgment of God through the imputed righteousness of Christ and is absolved from sins, since compensation has been made for his sins through the satisfaction of Christ. Therefore, such a penitent and believing man, who is certainly ungodly and sinful in himself, is nonetheless righteous in Christ through faith." Page 25, Forensic Appeal to the Throne of Grace, Rydecki http://www.faithalonejustifies.com/wp-content/uplo ads/2013/05/ForensicAppeal_Rydecki_Final.pdf UOJ is the calvanistic doctrine - not justification solely by faith in Christ alone. Dr. Lito Cruz, "UOJers should realise that they share something in common with Calvinists, they share with them of lumping the Atonement with Justification as one and the same event." Calvin made the atonement (Christ's payment for the world's sins) synonymous with Justification. He saw that not everyone was justified and so limited atonement to match. UOJ makes the atonement of Christ synonymous with Justification and because Christ died for the whole world's sins UOJ extends Justification to the whole unbelieving world. It's the doctrine of UOJ which is calvanistic. | ||
| Rev. Guillaume Williams (Revhardheaded) Senior Member Username: Revhardheaded Post Number: 4787 Registered: 10-2004 |
I knew it would finally happen. Thanks for not disappointing me Mr. Meyer. The Rev. Guillaume J. S. Williams, Sr GEAUX SAINTS! GEAUX LSU!!! | ||
| Rev. David R. Boisclair (Drboisclair) Intermediate Member Username: Drboisclair Post Number: 358 Registered: 1-2002 |
There is an obvious mistake in what the ELDoNA theses on Justification say about C.F.W. Walther and the concept of the Easter Absolution. ELDoNA, which proudly has named its publishing house after the epithet given Walther for his theological method (Repristination) should have realized that Walther was not one to push novelties in theology. If he taught anything, one could be sure that it was taught in Scripture, the Confessions, in Luther, in Chemnitz, and in Gerhard. It was from Gerhard, at least, that he got his idea of the Resurrection of Christ being the absolution of the world. This is plainly visible from reading the quotation from Gerhard that heads the thread of John Gerhard, An Adherent of the Easter Absolution. No explaining away can erase this truth. ELDoNA calls Walther's doctrine a novelty, but the diocese is very mistaken in this belief, and they should have know better. Shame on them. | ||
| Daniel Gorman (Heinrich) Senior Member Username: Heinrich Post Number: 2047 Registered: 11-2004 |
In the Preface to ELDONA's "Theses on the Article of Justification", it was stated that a pastor was recently removed from a church body's clergy roster ostensibly for false doctrine concerning the doctrine of justification. The preface does not identify the pastor, the church body, or the errors he supposedly taught that led to his removal. Why isn't the pastor identified? Aren't the clergy rosters of Lutheran synods a matter of public record? Wouldn't a church body that removed a pastor for false doctrine publicly refute his errors so that others would not be misled? If the church body has not publicly identified the reason for the pastor's removal, why the assumption that he was removed for false doctrine concerning the article of justification? Was it based on information provided by the pastor himself? If so, shouldn't the church body be given an opportunity to refute his allegations and to identify the real reason for his removal? [Beavis, meet Butthead - above.] |
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GJ - I will just use their own experts on this idea, since they reject Luther and ignore the Book of Concord.
According to Servant of the Word, Walther admitted that he learned his UOJ (Easter absolution) from Martin Stephan, the groupie-bishop with the clap. (Walther didn't know! Har.)
According to that singular genius Tom Hardt (a genius because he was in the bag for UOJ) - Walther's justification concept never changed.
Walther had even less education than the yahoos who trumpet his name in every sentence. Walther earned a BA from a rationalistic university. Period. End of story.
I wonder if Repristination Press is an ironic name. Walther did not repristinate anything. He polluted Lutheran doctrine as best he could, through robotic followers, by injecting his rationalist Pietism into everything. The conquest was complete in 1932 and Missouri began to fall apart, taking the shards of the Synodical Conference with it.
By publishing the old orthodox Lutherans (pre-Pietism), RP could repristinate the old Synodical Conference, if anyone is left who can read and comprehend good doctrinal writing.
Gerhard did not teach Easter absolution, as Robert Preus proved. I have other quotations that show how Gerhard taught in harmony with the Concordists and the Scriptures. More on the Easter absolution later - I will write.
