SpenerQuest Adds UOC to the Vocabulary of the Hive. Jester Swoons

Read slowly, SpenerQuesters.
React - not with your usual venom and unbelief -
but with your ministerial reason.

George Mueller (Mueller) Senior Member Username: Mueller Post Number: 1070 Registered: 11-2012	Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 8:38 am:       Brett, you mocked my answer to your question about binding sins. Your mockery consisted in a rationalistic rejection of the gospel. Yet you accuse the orthodox of rationalism! You are the rationalist. You ask how all sins can be forgiven when Jesus paid for them if the sins of the impenitent are retained. That's a rationalistic argument. Your arguments against objective justification are not based on Scripture. They are based on your erring (and confused) human reason. Read article four of the Augsburg Confession. Here we Lutherans teach what justification by faith means. Read it carefully and see if you can find what the object of justifying faith is. In other words, what does the faith that justifies believe? "When they believe that . . ." Check it out and see for yourself what a Lutheran confesses. Justifying faith believes . . . what? Now this is a simple exercise, Brett. You claim to be a Lutheran and you claim to accept the Lutheran Confessions. So tell us, how does the text of the Augsburg Confession read? "When they believe that . . ." What? What is it that one believes when he is justified through faith?
Rev. David R. Boisclair (Drboisclair) Intermediate Member Username: Drboisclair Post Number: 373 Registered: 1-2002	Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 8:43 am:       Brett, you are the only one of the people who are contending with us on this topic who is willing to take a serious look at the evidence. However, you need to see that the reason that we are contending for the "Synodical Conference" doctrine is that we believe that Scripture teaches that doctrine. It is not a matter of us rationalizing it. Rydecki and now ELDoNA have restricted their view of Scripture to what they perceive the 16th and 17th century Lutheran theologians to have interpreted Scripture to say. These classic Lutheran theologians have pointed out that Romans 5:18 (Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life) points out that condemnation is decreed by God over all people because of Adam's sin. Now, as you know not all people are going to hell, so even though the verdict of condemnation is pronounced in God's Law over all people that does not mean that all people have gone to hell. In the same way as the condemnation is universal so also is the verdict of acquittal in the Gospel: all people are encompassed in that verdict of God but not all have been regenerated to receive that verdict. That is the doctrine of the Gospel, the doctrine of Universal Objective Justification. You have Universal Objective Condemnation in the Law and Universal Objective Justification in the Gospel. This is the clear teaching of God's Word not rationalism. Gregory Jackson engages in Rationalism when he slanderously accuses us of Enthusiasm because he reasons this way: Justification can only be seen narrowly as an individual's being brought to faith by God the Holy Spirit through the means of grace. Those who view Justification in a broader manner as God's action in the historic work of Christ violate that narrow view; hence, those who view Justification in a broader manner are Enthusiasts who believe that God deals with people directly without means. Another thing you should keep in mind is that Christians are permitted to use their reason ministerially (of course, not magisterially). That is what we are doing. We use our reason to serve our understanding of the Holy Scriptures not to govern our understanding of the Holy Scriptures.
Joe Krohn (Jester) Member Username: Jester Post Number: 188 Registered: 4-2011	Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 10:00 am:       "You have Universal Objective Condemnation in the Law and Universal Objective Justification in the Gospel." Spot on. I don't mean to skew this discussion, but if one would want to really expose the doctrine of Brett Meyer et al, transition to the intertwined Doctrine of Election.

SpenerQuesters, Jay Webber, his catechumen Jon Buchholz,
and various ninnies see Rambach as their Reformer.

SpenerQuest Dunderheads Do Not Trust God's Word - But We Have to Listen to Their Words...Endlessly

The UOJ Stormtroopers are Leftists; they are destroyers of faith and have no faith.

It is no wonder that WELS and Missouri do not want to call their so-called missions Lutheran or even a church, because they despise Luther's doctrine and the Means of Grace.

They are only Lutheran when they want grants from Holy Mother Sect. Then they forget their Fuller/Willow Creek nonsense and put on pious looks. We had a college student president who was a Maoist all week long, until he had to speak to the parents gathering. Then he shaved and put on a business suit (three piece) only to revert again on Monday.

Deception is deeply rooted in WELS and Missouri, especially because the radical element took over gradually only by fooling everyone.

WELS has a special institution called GA hazing, where lying is the entire program. They still deceive people by denying GA still exists.

WELS clergy know the game, so when someone tells another outrageous lie, they interpret it thus, "Thus is policy whether you like it or not. Make one more sound about it and you are dead to us."

Missouri really established the program by establishing a sex cult far away from the suspicious eyes of the St. Louis residents, where they might have built an entire suburb with their money. Instead they obeyed the orders of their syphilitic bishop and founder, Martin Stephan, and bought worthless Mormon land in Perryville.

Everyone now blames Stephan, whose death CFW Walther hastened with his brutal treatment, but everyone who left the bishop's family behind in Dresden was guilty of deception and self-deception.

Staying with the deception and abuse means, "I choose the lies over the truth of the Word. I would rather have 10 friends among the abusive than 100 in the Kingdom of God."

People whine about how their conventions are manipulated. But who is man enough to stand at the mike and say, "Point of order. You cannot do this"? No one.

UOJ Enthusiasts - All Personal Because They Have No Faith

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I was having some laughs with another writer about UOJ people boiling over on SpenerQuest.

Everything is personal for them, so they have to rave about me or someone else. They do not address Luther's great Galatians Commentary because they lack the capacity to understand and teach Biblical, Lutheran doctrine.

They could develop an ability, but that is impossible when they keep circling the corpses of the Synodical Conference, raising saints from the dead, as it were.

The truth does not depend on whether I am seen as a monster or a prophet. The personal attacks make me smile, but I would rather see the yammering yahoos deal with Luther's doctrine. They refuse. That would be work, heavy labor instead of Starbucks-induced hyperventilating.

The UOJ Hive cannot cite a single Biblical passage to support their delusions. Rather than deal with Luther on "bears the sins of the world" or Paul in Romans 4, they move along with new discoveries made from skimming texts.