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GJ - I thought it was just getting good today, so that meant retaliation was just around the corner. The WELS KGB minders were on full alert about the author, who gave away too many details to remain anonymous.
I never knew who the author was, and I never had any contact with him.
The good news - members of that abusive sect are starting to discuss doctrine and worship.
More good news - I copied the relevant posts, because they were bound to be erased in time.
Click here on Polluted WELS Blog to find my copies and commentary.
No, no. My pleasure. You are welcome, PW.
You had to know when you said, "You are not my brother," that they would strike back. The truth is not welcome in WELS - ever.
You had to know when you said, "You are not my brother," that they would strike back. The truth is not welcome in WELS - ever.
Sunday, August 3, 2014 - Polluted WELS Last Post
My Response
Here's a comment I received,
with my responses interspersed.
First, I am not sure who Lillo is, but this comment did not come from him. I do not know if your post can be edited, but that false testimony should be removed.
Lillo is Joel Lillo, a pastor from the Appleton area who (like you) wanted me to shut-up but (like you) didn't want to discuss the actual issues. I never said that you were Lillo, I said that I was reproducing your comments in pink in honor of Lillo. It's a joke from about a month ago on this blog about how colors are adiaphora. Before you start accusing people of sinning against the Eighth Commandment, you should get your facts straight, lest you yourself break that very commandment.
Matthias, I am your brother in Christ. It is also true (regardless of whether or not you want to admit it) that the leaders and presenters of this conference are your brother and sisters in that same Lord. Yes, I know many of the leaders of this conference personally.
No, the organizers of this conference are not my brothers. See, I know them personally too. One of the speakers at this conference, when he still with Parish Assistance, sowed discord in my home congregation and almost caused it to split. Another of the speakers has made attempts to personally undermine my ministry. Another person associated with one of the sponsoring organizations once said, in my presence, "The only thing wrong with Lutheran churches is pastors who want to be Lutheran."
These men are not my brothers. They are enemies of the gospel. They actively work to thwart the preaching of the gospel. I don't care how personally you know them. Jesus said, "By their fruit you will know them." These are wolves in sheep's clothing.
It is easy to know who is organizing - the hosting organizations are listed in numerous places.
That's not the same thing. How can I personally contact an organization?
This blog has become a tabloid because you are more concerned with sensationalism than truth.
What have I said that's not true? All of my posts on this conference have included direct quotations from the conference's own website.
I do not know what the Matthew 18 maneuver is. I know the chapter well, but I did not quote it.
Oh, come on. You know exactly what it is--trying to shut down public debate by claiming that one must speak privately to a person first. As I said, Matthew 18 is about private sin, not public sin.
You are a WELS pastor with legitimate concerns about this conference. You chose to blog rather than speak to anyone.
Yeah, you better believe it. These sponsoring organizations own the DPs. Two of the DP who are supposed to be the most Confessional are preaching at this conference. If I dared to voice my concerns, I would automatically labeled "divisive" and blackballed. Anonymous blogging is the only recourse Confessional Lutheran pastors have.
Fine. But why do you choose to be the Enquirer?
How am I being the Enquirer? I'm not exposing personal information. I'm not calling people aliens.
Why not open a conversation by sharing legitimate concerns and asking the blogging community if they have more information or if they share the same concerns?
That's exactly what I am doing.
You had an opportunity to establish the style and substance of this blog a couple weeks ago. You slid into sensationalism and snide judgment. Any opportunity for positive influence or change slips right down that same slope. Your posters from now on will be the few who already share your thoughts. The inflated view count will be those who enjoy the guilty pleasure of a Lutheran tabloid.
Here's another tactic of the "synod-minders"--whine about the tone. Guess what? When you're exposing false doctrine, you can't do it gently. The Law cuts and destroys. These are all grown men that I'm talking about, and they most certainly know how to dish out the "snide judgment" against others. They should be able to take some too.
Mathias, the members of your church need the love, instruction, and shepherding that you are trained and called to provide. My hope is that you pour abundantly more energy into that call than you expend in this online endeavor.
Why would you assume anything else? Are you trying to undermine my ministry too?
First, I am not sure who Lillo is, but this comment did not come from him. I do not know if your post can be edited, but that false testimony should be removed.
Lillo is Joel Lillo, a pastor from the Appleton area who (like you) wanted me to shut-up but (like you) didn't want to discuss the actual issues. I never said that you were Lillo, I said that I was reproducing your comments in pink in honor of Lillo. It's a joke from about a month ago on this blog about how colors are adiaphora. Before you start accusing people of sinning against the Eighth Commandment, you should get your facts straight, lest you yourself break that very commandment.
Matthias, I am your brother in Christ. It is also true (regardless of whether or not you want to admit it) that the leaders and presenters of this conference are your brother and sisters in that same Lord. Yes, I know many of the leaders of this conference personally.
No, the organizers of this conference are not my brothers. See, I know them personally too. One of the speakers at this conference, when he still with Parish Assistance, sowed discord in my home congregation and almost caused it to split. Another of the speakers has made attempts to personally undermine my ministry. Another person associated with one of the sponsoring organizations once said, in my presence, "The only thing wrong with Lutheran churches is pastors who want to be Lutheran."
These men are not my brothers. They are enemies of the gospel. They actively work to thwart the preaching of the gospel. I don't care how personally you know them. Jesus said, "By their fruit you will know them." These are wolves in sheep's clothing.
It is easy to know who is organizing - the hosting organizations are listed in numerous places.
That's not the same thing. How can I personally contact an organization?
This blog has become a tabloid because you are more concerned with sensationalism than truth.
What have I said that's not true? All of my posts on this conference have included direct quotations from the conference's own website.
I do not know what the Matthew 18 maneuver is. I know the chapter well, but I did not quote it.
Oh, come on. You know exactly what it is--trying to shut down public debate by claiming that one must speak privately to a person first. As I said, Matthew 18 is about private sin, not public sin.
You are a WELS pastor with legitimate concerns about this conference. You chose to blog rather than speak to anyone.
Yeah, you better believe it. These sponsoring organizations own the DPs. Two of the DP who are supposed to be the most Confessional are preaching at this conference. If I dared to voice my concerns, I would automatically labeled "divisive" and blackballed. Anonymous blogging is the only recourse Confessional Lutheran pastors have.
Fine. But why do you choose to be the Enquirer?
How am I being the Enquirer? I'm not exposing personal information. I'm not calling people aliens.
Why not open a conversation by sharing legitimate concerns and asking the blogging community if they have more information or if they share the same concerns?
That's exactly what I am doing.
You had an opportunity to establish the style and substance of this blog a couple weeks ago. You slid into sensationalism and snide judgment. Any opportunity for positive influence or change slips right down that same slope. Your posters from now on will be the few who already share your thoughts. The inflated view count will be those who enjoy the guilty pleasure of a Lutheran tabloid.
Here's another tactic of the "synod-minders"--whine about the tone. Guess what? When you're exposing false doctrine, you can't do it gently. The Law cuts and destroys. These are all grown men that I'm talking about, and they most certainly know how to dish out the "snide judgment" against others. They should be able to take some too.
Mathias, the members of your church need the love, instruction, and shepherding that you are trained and called to provide. My hope is that you pour abundantly more energy into that call than you expend in this online endeavor.
Why would you assume anything else? Are you trying to undermine my ministry too?
