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Friday, September 4, 2015

Asking about Objective Justification - from ELDONA.
Parts 1, 2, and 3



Published on Sep 2, 2015
A loyal viewer asks why the Evangelical Lutheran Diocese of North America rejects the doctrine of Objective Justification. The diocese has published theses on the Scriptural doctrine of Justification, available on Amazon at:

http://www.amazon.com/Theses-Justific...

This is part 1 of 3 (or 4 or 5 or however many it takes to rummage through this doctrine so that you can judge if Scripture teaches it or not). Comments are welcome but please be respectful if you disagree.

Questions or comments that you'd like discussed can be sent to atpholycross@gmail.com and we'll include them in this series.
In discussing UOJ with a friend, I brought up Matthew 12:32 "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." I pointed out that Jesus was claiming that a person the speaks against the Holy Spirit is NEVER forgiven, which contradicts UOJ, which claims they are already forgiven. I then asked if Scripture contains contradictions, and, if not, then UOJ must be false. The response in support of UOJ was bulletproof:"Scripture does not contain contradiction, UOJ is true and the words of Jesus are also true." It was then pointed out that the problem was not UOJ or the Bible, but my poor reasoning. How would you respond? Is my example valid? Thanks for the video.

+Keith Shedron, You ran into the UOJ brick wall. "Jesus is right. UOJ is right. You're too stupid to reconcile the two." This is sad though because it demonstrates how people cannot argue their point from Scripture but only from emotional attachment to the doctrine. Onto your questions: How would I respond? I've honestly never thought about the sin against the holy Ghost as proof against OJ. Let me think about it some more. It does expose the silliness of "God justified you already, then because you didn't believe you were already justified, God took that justification away from you, but not really because you'll still be justified in hell." That alone exposes one of the main issues. OJ uses the word 'justify' in two different ways in the same argument. The best argument against OJ remains Romans 4. The only justification the Scripture teaches is Justification by faith alone not works. The issue which we will spend time on in the next video is Romans 4:25 and just what IS the object of saving faith, that face that you've already been declared righteous or the merits of Christ He earned by his perfect obedience and death on the cross? That, ultimately, is the issue, in my opinion. Keep fighting the good fight. Don't let folks get away from the Scriptures to ad hominem attacks. Just take them and drive them back to the pattern of sound words, my friend. Thanks for watching ATP and let me know if I can clear this up any further. Adios~