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Wednesday, January 20, 2016

SpenerQuest Puts Another Quarter in the Joke Box.
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David Bickel (Drb)
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Posted on Monday, January 18, 2016 - 8:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

"Rev. Paul A. Rydecki said... I still think Hunnius puts it best regarding the relationship between redemption and justification (from A Clear Explanation - I can look up the page number if anyone needs it): We interpret those things that the Scripture contains regarding the redemption and reconciliation of the world (or of the human race) concerning the benefit gained and acquired through the death of Christ, and concerning the sufficiency of that merit of Christ—that it is sufficient for the whole world to be reconciled, justified and saved, if the whole world were to believe; that it was also intended for the world and acquired to this end, that all men should thence obtain salvation through faith. Meanwhile, God has never intended it to mean that it avails for justifying or for remitting sins without faith, through some sort of general remission of sins or justification, which is also supposedly done among those who never have faith, never had faith, or never will have faith. OCTOBER 7, 2013 AT 8:38 PM"
Source: INTREPIDLUTHERANS.COM/2013/10/LAST-YEARS-LETTER-TO -PRESIDIUM-OF-AZ-CA.HTML

Fine. I am reconciled to you, but I don't forgive you. No, I demand payment of your debt—in full. Pay up or else.

But doesn't being reconciled mean peace and the non-imputation of sins?

The quote looks partially Calvinistic. Calvinists like Charles Hodge say the atonement was sufficient for the entire human race but not intended to save the entire human race.

Does this quote accurately reflect Hunnius in the context of the debate he was engaged in? If so, how sound was he on election?
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Alan Lubeck (1431)
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Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 - 6:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Professor Bickel asks the question: But doesn't being reconciled mean peace and the non-imputation of sins?


Only according to Holy Scripture 1 Corinthians 5:19. But, hey, who needs the Holy Scripture when man's reason drives their teaching about God.

Best wishes on those who subscribe to Rydecki's formula trying to discern whether they have been given enough justification in their reconciliation. They can no longer look to the Word of God alone for comfort, they must also have a special Easter Egg hunt to make sure they have found faith in their heart.
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Paul Jecklin (Paul_jecklin)
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Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 - 7:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

“. . . . God has never intended it to mean that it avails for justifying or for remitting sins without faith, through some sort of general remission of sins or justification, which is also supposedly done among those who never have faith, . . . “

“AVAILS” may be an important word in this statement.


Article IV: Of Justification.

“Also they teach that men cannot be justified before God by their own strength, merits, or works, but are freely justified for Christ's sake, through faith, when they believe that they are received into favor, and that their sins are forgiven for Christ's sake, who, by His death, has made satisfaction for our sins. This faith God imputes for righteousness in His sight. Rom. 3 and 4.”
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Paul Jecklin (Paul_jecklin)
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Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 - 8:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

“. . . . God has never intended it to mean that it avails for justifying or for remitting sins without faith, through some sort of general remission of sins or justification, which is also supposedly done among those who never have faith, . . . “

“AVAILS” may be an important word in this statement.


Article IV: Of Justification.

“Also they teach that men cannot be justified before God by their own strength, merits, or works, but are freely justified for Christ's sake, through faith, when they believe that they are received into favor, and that their sins are forgiven for Christ's sake, who, by His death, has made satisfaction for our sins. This faith God imputes for righteousness in His sight. Rom. 3 and 4.”
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Rev. Guillaume Williams Sr. (Revhardheaded)
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Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 - 8:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I think I need a broader context, but yes, avails is an important word there. Also, as we do not subscribe unconditionally to everything Luther wrote, nor do we to the orthodox fathers.
The Rev. Guillaume J. S. Williams, Sr
God justifies the ungodly. Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,