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Joe Krohn (Jekster)
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Username: Jekster
Post Number: 574
Registered: 4-2011 |
| Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2018 - 8:18 pm: |    |
The Predestination Controversy of the late 1800's distilled two major views on Election that blew up the Synodical Conference. One says we are elected on the account of faith. The other says we are elected on the account of God's grace.
Lenski is trotted out frequently on Ichabod and it is quite evident that the blog's author agrees wholeheartedly with Lenski; who held to the "In View of Faith" scenario. Jackson's pedigree is ALC/LCA. The acorn did not fall far from that tree. |
Joe Krohn (Jekster)
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Post Number: 575
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| Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2018 - 8:46 pm: | |
"FC SD XI" as quoted earlier in the thread points this out; Grace first then Faith. Redemption and reconciliation (Christ's merits) are in place first for faith to grasp. If your redemption and reconciliation are dependent on your faith, how sure can you be?
In my experience, the biggest ranters are usually the least confident in their position. |
Pastor Cascione (Cardinal)
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Username: Cardinal
Post Number: 412
Registered: 11-2004 |
| Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2018 - 10:35 pm: | |
I've been busy planning powerpoints for the seminars on the Bible Encounter in Dearborn, MI, on October 5-6 and New England, on October 13. I met Oracle on June 14th and invited him to participate on Luther Quest, which he has agree to do. You should ask him a question. It is a strange feeling to have a layman correct my Hebrew pronunciation while looking over my shoulder at the computer screen.
Christ’s declaration of Objective Justification for the world from the cross in Luke 23:34 includes fulfillment of the sacrifices for involuntary sin in Leviticus and Numbers.
The following is an abbreviated list of animal sacrifices for involuntary sin. Notice the last verse includes a startling provision for a sacrifice for involuntary sin for those who are not Israelites.
'If a person sins unintentionally in any of the things which the LORD has commanded not to be done, and commits any of them, (Lev 4:2 NAS)
'When a leader sins and unintentionally does any one of all the things which the LORD God has commanded not to be done, and he becomes guilty, (Lev 4:22 NAS)
'Now if anyone of the common people sins unintentionally in doing any of the things which the LORD has commanded not to be done, and becomes guilty, (Lev 4:27 NAS)
"If a person acts unfaithfully and sins unintentionally against the LORD's holy things, (Lev 5:15 NAS)
"Now if a person sins and does any of the things which the LORD has commanded not to be done, though he was unaware, still he is guilty, and shall bear his punishment. (Lev 5:17 NAS)
then it shall be, if it is done unintentionally, without the knowledge of the congregation, (Num 15:24 NAS)
You shall have one law for him who does anything unintentionally, for him who is native among the sons of Israel and for the alien who sojourns among them. (Num 15:29 NAS)
Not only does this sacrifice anticipate forgiveness for believers who did not know they sinned, it anticipates forgiveness for aliens who have sinned and do not know they have sinned. Therefore, this sacrifice exists to forgive sins prior to sin, and prior to the knowledge of sin, for everyone. I’m sure the Israelites were astonished and wondered how God would plan forgiveness for someone who was not an Israelite? How was a priest to administer this sacrifice? What should he say? “All of you aliens, you do not know you have sinned, but you did sin, and we a have a sacrifice for you.” I’ve noticed that the commentaries do not know what to do with Num. 15:29. I do not think it makes any sense until Luke 23:34. |
Rick Strickert (Carlvehse)
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Post Number: 8271
Registered: 10-2003 |
| Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2018 - 11:19 pm: | |
In his Christian Dogmatics (pp. 587-8), Mueller explains:
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Two basic truths, then, must be borne in mind whenever the article of eternal election of grace is being considered :
a. God's eternal election of grace did not take place in view of man's foreseen final faith (electio intuitu fidei finalis), but rather embraced this faith together with the whole way of salvation (ordo salutis, media salutis), such as conversion, justification, sanctification, and final preservation. Hence the believer is not elected because of his foreseen faith (ex praevisa fide finali); on the contrary, he has become a believer in time because of his eternal election to salvation. In other words, a person is brought to saving faith in time just because God from eternity has graciously elected him to salvation, Acts 13, 48; Eph. 1, 3-6; Rom. 8, 28-30.
So also the Formula of Concord testifies (Thor. Decl., XI, 8): "The eternal election of God, however, not only foresees and foreknows the salvation of the elect, but is also, from the gracious will and pleasure of God in Christ Jesus, a cause which procures, works, helps, and promotes our salvation and what pertains thereto."...
b. With respect to the doctrine of election all those are sure to err who reject the sola gratia and so teach that a sinner is saved (elected and converted) not by grace alone, but also by some good quality or worthiness in him (aliquid in homine; aliqua causa discriminis) which God foresaw and on account of which He elected him (synergism). Similarly also those err with respect to this doctrine who teach that God's eternal election of grace consisted merely in the appointment of the means of grace (ordinatio mediorum -- election in a wider sense, used in this sense by the errorists).
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Pastor Cascione (Cardinal)
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Post Number: 414
Registered: 11-2004 |
| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2018 - 9:30 am: | |
Thank you Rick:
The field is the world. Since we are all by nature hard, rocky, thorny, ground (original sin) the seed must create its own good ground. In the parable the distribution of the seed (word) is indistinguishable from Objective Justification, objectively offered and subjectively believed. The Ethiopian has the word but doesn't know what to do with it. The Sanhedrin had the word and hated it. |
Joe Krohn (Jekster)
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Post Number: 576
Registered: 4-2011 |
| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2018 - 10:30 am: | |
Election in view of faith = conditional election = conditional grace. It puts faith before God's grace. This is a form of Arminianism. |
Pastor Cascione (Cardinal)
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Username: Cardinal
Post Number: 415
Registered: 11-2004 |
| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2018 - 11:48 am: | |
Jesus is the sower. The sowing is an act of grace. Prior to sowing, the field has no faith nor anticipation of faith. Prior to sowing, there is no faith. After the sowing, some and not others. Some believe by grace, by no credit to themselves, and the others are guilty of rejection, sin we were all born in. |
Dave Schumacher (Lex)
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Username: Lex
Post Number: 1228
Registered: 6-2003 |
| Posted on Friday, July 20, 2018 - 12:40 am: | |
Whatever else Jackson may, or may not be, he is not Lutheran. I don't believe he ever was. |
Pastor Cascione (Cardinal)
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Username: Cardinal
Post Number: 417
Registered: 11-2004 |
| Posted on Friday, July 20, 2018 - 10:43 am: | |
I think he was once absolutely straight arrow, but he is also a reactionary. If all the participants on Luther Quest railed against Objective Justification, he would eventually defend it. Robert Preus once told me that about Alvin Schmidt. When Schmidt was forced out of the Seminary and took a job at a college in (I think) Illinois, within five years he reversed course. I don't think we should try that experiment on Luther Quest. |
Pastor Rolf David Preus (Rolf)
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| Posted on Friday, July 20, 2018 - 11:35 am: | |
Dad told me the same thing about Al Schmidt. You and I remember when he was championing the cause of women's ordination while at CTS and now he supports every conservative issue. To your knowledge, did he ever publicly disavow what he had said about women's ordination?
Pastor Rolf David Preus |
Rick Strickert (Carlvehse)
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Username: Carlvehse
Post Number: 8272
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| Posted on Friday, July 20, 2018 - 12:36 pm: | |
Here is a excerpt from Al Schmidt's book, Veiled and Silenced: How Culture Shaped Sexist Theology (Mercer University Press, 1989, pp. 215-6), in which Schmidt (CTS, 1963) gives a sympathetic history of women's ordination:
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"The position of deacon in Acts 6:4 is used in reference to 'even the highest Christian office [activity]. the preaching of the Gospel.' [13] Hamilton Hess believes that the diaconate was the first universally established formal ministry by A.D. 70, and that the deacons performed several functions, including liturgical functions....
"Even though many leaders in the postapostolic church greatly curtailed the activities of female deacons and even coined a new word-deaconess-to make their biased theology credible, many women deaconesses were still ordained....
"[Regarding the previously mentioned 5th and 6th century bans on ordination of deaconesses] These decisions of the church councils and synods clearly demonstrate that the church in time became more and more sexist in its theology. The New Testament, which considered the position of deacon appropriate for male and female, was ignored. Thus, by the fourth and fifth centuries the ancient, pagan view regarding women not only had made great inroads into the church, but it had in fact become victorious. The influence and actions of Jesus and the apostles had lost their impact and effectiveness."
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Walter Raffel (Bluebird) (Walt)
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Username: Walt
Post Number: 226
Registered: 7-2004 |
| Posted on Friday, July 20, 2018 - 4:20 pm: | |
Dave Schumacher.
To make a statement that G. Jackson is not Lutheran is uncalled for.
How can you make that statement.
Have you read his books? Have you seen the Luther sermons that he has translated?
Be careful in what you state. |
Pastor Cascione (Cardinal)
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Username: Cardinal
Post Number: 418
Registered: 11-2004 |
| Posted on Friday, July 20, 2018 - 4:32 pm: | |
Rolf, I never heard he had changed his mind, he just stopped discussing it. |
Alan Lubeck (1431)
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Username: 1431
Post Number: 1701
Registered: 11-2004 |
| Posted on Friday, July 20, 2018 - 5:19 pm: | |
Mr. Raffel, From my standpoint and confession, I'd consider Jackson to be a heterodox Lutheran. However, if someone is calling himself a pastor and is preaching and teaching/administering the Sacraments apart from a call to/from a congregation, I would consider that very problematic. I know I just can't make myself a pastor apart from a call, if that were to be my desire. |
AcolyteJohn (Acolyte)
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Registered: 7-2018 |
| Posted on Friday, July 20, 2018 - 6:29 pm: | |
As for Jackson, this is based on what I've noticed in the past and present and based on what many others have said about him:
He is not a Lutheran pastor. He does not have a Lutheran congregation. His "online" church has, at most, 5 viewers per service. His video and audio skills are greatly amusing. He got kicked out of ... two or three Lutheran church bodies. He indulges in cutting edge early 1990s graphic technology on his blog. He works for an online university. He loves to attack people and insult them personally. He screams bloody murder when he gets a dose of his own medicine. He claims to be a "publisher" but all he does is copy and paste public domain texts and posts them on the Internet. He loves attention. He has little to no viewers. He does not understand the difference between "unique visitors" and "page count" on his web site. He is, in my opinion, a very sad, pathetic individual. He delights in attacking people and posting things that an 8th grade boy would enjoy. He seems completely unaware he is a laughing stock. He is a constant source of entertainment. But, frankly, it is like beating a retarded child.
On a more positive note: There is no doubt he earned his degrees. He is not stupid, just deeply misdirected and has squandered all that money and time he spent getting advanced degrees. Sad.
He like to garden.
He loves his wife. He loves his children. He loves WalMart. He loves his dog. He has been through horrible personal suffering with two children dead at an early age and an invalid wife. Anyone who is a family, dog and nature lover can't be all bad.
He spends his days lurking on the Internet, reading anything he can referencing him. He will read this comment, and post it on his blog site and probably use a silly graphic with it.
He is to be pitied.
Unfortunately, he has led a few laypersons astray in his holy quest to advance a heterodox belief system. Why? Who knows. He is, in my opinion, a deeply confused man.
Fortunately he has no position and he fools himself by thing he has any influence. When he gets an email or a comment, he celebrates it with a separate blog post.
In my opinion, he would do more good by volunteering a local hospital and devoting his blog to gardening advice. That's about the only thing he would provide by way of positive contribution to the Internet and his community.
I think we should probably just commend him to the grace of God and totally ignore the man.
Romans 16. |
AcolyteJohn (Acolyte)
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 7-2018 |
| Posted on Friday, July 20, 2018 - 8:02 pm: | |
As proof for the assertions above, witness the fact that within minutes of its posting Jackson already posted a response, sans puerile graphics, but he can't control himself. Not to worry, he will indulge in his "expert" web site design very soon, if not already.
He is a master of copy and paste and blog technology that reached its zenith in 1995.
One can always depend on Jackson for amusement and free entertainment. LutherQuest is living rent-free in his head. |
Joe Krohn (Jekster)
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| Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2018 - 10:22 am: | |
Reactionary? Words like paradox and enigma come to mind. His allegiance to the Church of Sweden through the the old Augustana Synod & his claim to apostolic succession explain alot of things. Confidential to Greg Jackson; Luther was against apostolic succession. |
Dave Schumacher (Lex)
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Post Number: 1229
Registered: 6-2003 |
| Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2018 - 10:28 am: | |
I don't know that it is true; but wouldn't it be amazing if Acolyte John was actually Pr. Cascione? |
AcolyteJohn (Acolyte)
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Registered: 7-2018 |
| Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2018 - 11:24 am: | |
Wait...Jackson is claiming he is in apostolic succession? "What misery I beheld." -M. Luther |
AcolyteJohn (Acolyte)
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| Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2018 - 11:25 am: | |
@Schumacher: We are brothers from a different mother.
LOL. |
AcolyteJohn (Acolyte)
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| Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2018 - 1:28 pm: | |
As for Jackson...He has NO call from any church body to be a pastor, yet, claims to be. He claims to hold to the Lutheran Confessions, he does not. He believes his ordination in the "Augustana Synod" gives him Apostolic Succession. It does not. Apparently this is why he thinks his "church services" which records in a bedroom of his house in Arkansas it somehow a legitimate call to the ministry. His "church" has 5 viewers on any given Sunday. It is good for amusement. If it was not so pathetic, it would be hilarious. But the false doctrine that he perpetuates, the libel and slander he perpetuates on his blog site, is not funny. Pathetic. Sad. Disgusting. All of the above.
He should have stuck with his life insurance career with Northwestern.
Again, he needs to focus in his Golden Years on his dogs and gardening. I feel sorry for his disabled wife and his son.
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Edward Buck (Melanchthon)
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| Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 1:46 pm: | |
As to AcolyteJohn's assertions: It is doubtful you know if Pastor Jackson has a call or not. It may come as a surprise to some that you do not require a synod to issue a call. To characterize a divine service as pathetic and hilarious is a rather serious sin, of which you Acolyte should immediately repent.
Confidential to Acolyte: Consider changing your user name to Caiaphas or Emser. |
Rick Strickert (Carlvehse)
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Post Number: 8310
Registered: 10-2003 |
| Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 3:25 pm: | |
On its What to expect webpage St. Matthew Lutheran Church-Grand Rapids states:
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Our Lord Jesus Christ comes to us in a special way in Holy Communion. As Lutheran Christians, we simply believe what God’s Word says – that Jesus’ Body and Blood are in, with, and under the elements of bread and wine in order to bestow forgiveness of sins on all believers, and with it, life and salvation. Baptized Christians who share this belief and understanding are invited to join us in the Lord’s Supper. Communion is served in both services every Sunday. [Emphasis added]
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Rev. Robert Fischer (Fischer)
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| Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 4:28 pm: | |
Following is the 1993 LCMS "Model Communion Card Statement":
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The Lord’s Supper is celebrated at this congregation in the confession and glad confidence that, as he says, our Lord gives into our mouths not only bread and wine but his very body and blood to eat and to drink for the forgiveness of sins and to strengthen our union with him and with one another. Our Lord invites to his table those who trust his words, repent of all sin, and set aside any refusal to forgive and love as he forgives and loves us, that they may show forth his death until he comes.
Because those who eat and drink our Lord’s body and blood unworthily do so to their great harm and because Holy Communion is a confession of the faith which is confessed at this altar, any who are not yet instructed, in doubt, or who hold a confession differing from that of this congregation and The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod, and yet desire to receive the sacrament, are asked first to speak with the pastor or an usher.
For further study, see Matthew 5:23f.; 10:32f.; 18:15-35; 26:26-29; 1 Cor. 11:17-34.
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AcolyteJohn (Acolyte)
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Post Number: 35
Registered: 7-2018 |
| Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 5:20 pm: | |
"Edward Buck" ... do you "take communion" with Gregory Jackson during his "fake news" congregation worship services? Do tell. |
Edward Buck (Melanchthon)
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Registered: 7-2018 |
| Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 8:17 pm: | |
"AcolyteJohn" What is your real name? Do you take communion while harboring this venomous attitude toward Pastor Jackson in your heart? Are you really a Lutheran?
Discontinue stalking him and repent, you will feel better. I think you need a break from Ichabod, go play outside. |
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