Joe Krohn, aka LutherRocks, aka ex-Rockmeister at
the Doebler/Patterson Emerging Church in Round Rock.
LutherRocks has left a new comment on your post "Not Sure If Your Ears Can Handel This Cacophony fr...":
What about a song that has solid Lutheran (sic - missing word) and rocks and is done well? Hmmmm?
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GJ - Joe Krohn is shy about using his own name on Ichabod, but he always used it on the secret Church and Change list-serve. He went to at least one conference and wrote often, gushingly without discernment.
I found the photo above on Facebook, but he is much more secretive again. When he published his short-lived Rock and Roll Church blog, he was shy about his identity too. In an unusual display of modesty, he erased all his files.
I have compiled all the Chicanery conversations that were sent to me by various sources. Since then the Slinkers have gone to their secret Yahoo groups, after discovering their security was as good as Northwest Airlines.
If you want the Word file, write me an email. I will email the attachment in a plain, brown wrapper. The document is about 300 pages long. Those hot-air merchants never stop talking - in secret.
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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Joe Krohn's English Matches His Theology":
Joe considers a Quia subscription to the Lutheran Confesssions to be cultish. Here are a few of Joe's quotes from the New Age Church and Change discussions:
I have been following this Dr. Sweet thread and it's morphs with great interest. This is a great example of the verse "iron sharpens iron" a pastor friend of
mine uses quite often....But you have to remain relevant in today’s society and if we need to bring in someone who can help us, I say go for it! When I see churches like Lakewood in Houston buy the old Omni because of their growth, or Saddleback in California, or Chandler Christian Church right in my back yard buying up chunks of real estate to expand, I think they must be doing something right!! I would never approve of their theologies, but hey, why can’t we take what they are doing right and graft it on our theology? We’re pretty proud of our theology aren’t we? At least that’s the impression I get from this list. We have to get proactive. I fear our Synod has waited too long. At times I grieve for WELS. We just need to get as evangelical as the Evangelicals are and be
like it says in our name: Wisconsin EVANGELICAL Lutheran Synod.
God Bless you all!
Joe Krohn
Hello All!
It was great to be in Minneapolis last week! I found the experience uplifting and inspiring. May God continue to bless us, alot!!! In regards to praying with other Christians. I have struggled with this, especially in light of what happened at our conference and was alluded to in a previous post. As far as our Synod's stance on fellowship, I get it. I agree on most points. But this prayer thing. It just seems that on many fellowship issues, we hold on to them and drive them so deep, that we offend. Then who is throwing obstacles in the way of other Christians and causing division? I was one who prayed along with Dr. Ben Freudenburg's prayer and felt that I did no wrong. I have mixed feelings about how some of my WELS brothers and sisters may feel about this(and me). I have read the passages that our Synod bases it's practices on. Quite frankly, I don't see the relevance in this circumstance. Those passages to me clearly define examples that are much more serious than praying with someone who is much, much more like me in faith than different. I understand that we should be careful. If we relax on some point, then it will be much easier on the next issue and so on.....and soon we find we've compromised everything away. But, what about that beautifully crafted devotion that Pastor Henkel gave about counting kernels and steps? We mustn't be so quick to judge. A worship service wasn't being conducted. There was no communion given. There were no baptisms. Sometimes I think that if one believes in Christ crucified, the Triune God and being baptized is THE way home, that should be good enough, especially when we KNOW that fellow believer is more, MUCH more like us than different.
In His Peace,
Joe Krohn
Dear Pastor (Bob) Gurgel,
I like the name change idea. At times I have wondered this: I love my/our Lutheran heritage. However, to an outsider that has merely looked at us and other churches superficiously (sic), I wander what they think. We talk about holding to the Lutheran Confessions, the Augsburg Confession, what is contained in The Book of Concord. The Mormons hold to The Book of Mormon and the teachings of their forefathers. Other churches I would guess have their sources/standards by which they base their doctrines. Some of it sounds cultish. I like the Followers of Jesus, because THAT is who we are. NOT followers of Luther. And wasn't it Luther who urged his successors NOT to call themselves Lutherans? Luther ALWAYS pointed to where he was coming from. The Word of God.
Have a Blessed Christmas Season everyone!!!
Joe Krohn
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GJ - Hi Joe. See my new post on Church and Chicanery Lock-downs. It will be up when I get done laughing.
I spoke a number of times with Arizona-California-Las Vegas district pastors. They have not accepted CrossBalk as a WELS congregation and do not plan to accept it. There are many doctrinal issues with Jeff Gunn, former poster boy of Church and Change. The lack of Holy Communion is one. I also heard that CrossBalk is being kicked out of ALA because of the sect's alien status. Besides, CrossBalk is low on money now that outside gifts are not coming in - not exactly a roaring success. All the Chicaneries have their trotters in the feed-trough, but the slop is running dry now. Some may have to work for a living.
Too bad Gunn could not get himself hired at Willow Creek Wisconsin Lutheran College. But all of you cult member should be happy that Ski-buddy Buske has the divine call to develop Pietistic cell groups there. Unfortunately, the campus tells me that the college students want serious, liturgical worship there, not more clown acts.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Joe Krohn's English Matches His Theology":
pastorless Jerkson says:
"Unfortunately, the campus tells me that the college students want serious, liturgical worship there, not more clown acts."
That is a real knee-slapper! Nobody tells Jerkson anything. He makes it up and then claims he has sources. I haven't had a laugh like this since I saw a picture of mrs. jerkson.
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GJ - There are far worse comments than the one posted above, but I wanted to let WELS discern the quality of support Church and Change receives on a daily basis. No wonder they have to beg for financial subsidies from the district, synod, Thrivent, and foundations like Antioch. Socially backward people have trouble holding on to jobs, wives, families, and sound doctrine. Where do neglected and abused children go when they grow up? Read the anonymous comment above.
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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Joe Krohn's English Matches His Theology":
Joe Krohn mentions that he prayed along with Dr. Ben Freudenburg (LCMS) at the Church and Change gathering. Freudenburg also spoke at this NACC gathering of Emergent New Age church growth mentors, http://www.christianstandard.com/pdfs/488.pdf. Note on the second page, Meet God in Worship, "The Desert will provide a different way to commune with God—alone. The Desert is a prayer labyrinth that will be set up in a private area of the convention center, offering a place for individuals to slip away for guided prayer, meditation, and reflection. In the midst of a jam-packed convention, there will be a quiet place for solitude." This is a popular New Age practice which is designed to allow the participant to experience and meet with god outside of Scripture and the Sacraments. This is a communion with the devil and his demons packaged in an appealing wrapper. ELCA states, "Thinking deeply about a passage of scripture while you walk is an excellent way to discover the meaning of God’s word and how it can be applied to your life." "A prayer labyrinth is an ancient tool for reflection on one’s life and spiritual journey. It is an active way of praying because it forces a person to use their whole self (mind, body, and spirit) in prayer, inviting the use of imagination, intuition, and creativity. A labyrinth introduces the idea of a wide and generous path to God, one that is horizontal instead of vertical. It is hoped that walking the labyrinth may bring peace, comfort, clarity, relief from stress, a sense of closeness to God, and new insights and perspectives on problems or questions in your life."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_labyrinth
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=6641
http://www.sundayschoollessons.com/ftlab.htm
http://www.nazarethlutheran.org/prayer-labyrinth/
http://www.gracewoodstock.org/prayers.htm
