Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Eberle, Shrinker, Backed Jeske":
Where is everyone today? Looks like even Pastor GJ is busy with other venues.
In response to mjleyrer,
Who said ,"Change or die?" Who said,"Those stick churches?"
Who is deeply involved with the liberal section of the LCMS?(meaning not the Confessional LCMS folks)
Yes, Jeske made fun of Close Communion. Does he know that WELS teaches against unionism? Perhaps Pastor GJ could provide a link to that Concordia Mequon Speech.
Is he ashamed of being Lutheran? I am not ashamed of being WELS despite the issues with money, C&C, and Kokomo.
mjleyer, help us Confessional Lutherans. We will start our own C&C. How about Conservative And Confessional!
In Christ,
from WELS church lady
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GJ - I linked Jeske's Mequon speech before. I repeat some information because people often stick with the front page.
Someone told me he checks the blog three times a day, so I always think of him when I am doing updates, or feeling too sleepy to do one.
I did have three posts by around 6 AM, which is about 6 hours before the Shrinkers wake up. A lot of comments came in while the grandchildren were visiting.
By the way, Shrinkers rage against the cat photos, so I added a new one from one of our resident artists.
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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Only Three Posts So Far Today - Where Is Everyone?...":
If you squint you can see God.
Jeske, "But if you are connected by faith to the power source of the universe, it is indeed possible. And fulfilling. And satisfying. And beautiful. And fun. God's Spirit enables you both to will and to do what is pleasing to God."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19428446/By-Pastor-Mark-Jeske-Extra-Ordinary (Time of Grace 17)
The murder of 150 Million people was doing work for God.
Jeske, "[T]he authority of a government ... that authority structure is built and designed by God Himself.... Even bad governments carry God's authority.... Even bad governments do God's work by keeping some semblance of order in the streets. Even the government of the Soviet Union under Stalin was doing the work of God. Even China, under Mao Tse-Tung, was doing work for God."
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/04/real-cult-menace-part-two-freedom.html
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Only Three Posts So Far Today - Where Is Everyone?...":
Good Grief...is that an accurate quote from Jeske about Stalin and Mao??? True, the blood of martyrs is the seed for the church...and all things work together for good for those who love God...
But that quote seems to come dangerously close to saying something like "Yeah, Hitler killed a lot of people, but some of his water color paintings really weren't that bad..." FYI, Hitler as a young man studied art in Vienna.
Was this from that same video where Jeske says we should voluntarily make ourselves slaves to the state if it asks us to?
I am not sure if this represents an evil genius or a complete moron....
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If you squint you can see God.
Jeske, "But if you are connected by faith to the power source of the universe, it is indeed possible. And fulfilling. And satisfying. And beautiful. And fun. God's Spirit enables you both to will and to do what is pleasing to God."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19428446/By-Pastor-Mark-Jeske-Extra-Ordinary (Time of Grace 17)
The murder of 150 Million people was doing work for God.
Jeske, "[T]he authority of a government ... that authority structure is built and designed by God Himself.... Even bad governments carry God's authority.... Even bad governments do God's work by keeping some semblance of order in the streets. Even the government of the Soviet Union under Stalin was doing the work of God. Even China, under Mao Tse-Tung, was doing work for God."
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/04/real-cult-menace-part-two-freedom.html
Good Grief...is that an accurate quote from Jeske about Stalin and Mao??? True, the blood of martyrs is the seed for the church...and all things work together for good for those who love God...
But that quote seems to come dangerously close to saying something like "Yeah, Hitler killed a lot of people, but some of his water color paintings really weren't that bad..." FYI, Hitler as a young man studied art in Vienna.
Was this from that same video where Jeske says we should voluntarily make ourselves slaves to the state if it asks us to?
I am not sure if this represents an evil genius or a complete moron....
Hey, I am all about the Confessional and Conservative movement. Nothing would make me happier. I'm just saying that God gives everyone different gifts to be appropriated in different ways and it seems like Jeske has found his calling. And for that we should not tear him down but build him up. Of course he is going to make mistakes, that's the basis of the depravity of man. But when he does so, attempt to correct rather than rip to shreds.
On top of everything else maybe Jeske also holds to the false human climate change being imposed upon the world via the meeting at Copenhagen right now ?
Maybe he's getting in early, with his politically correct pro/totalitarian state comments; in hope of earning preliminary "scout points" should a draft UN Climate Change Treaty be adopted at the end of this week..
If such a treaty comes into being, in a very little time, our democracy and all the liberties we (and other Western democracies)enjoy but take so very much for granted; will be forever lost; a thing of the past.
The widespread misery experienced in the trail of the GFC will pale into insignificance compared with what such a treaty will bring in its wake.
Especially at this time, bearing Copenhagen in mind, may we all recall Pastor J's fine and timely Thanksgiving Sermon last month, with its 1 TIMOTHY 2: 1 - 8 text, in asking that God's will, ALONE, shall be done in Copenhagen throughout this coming week.
The Apostle Paul first of all exhorts "supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men...2b) and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all mean to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ranson for all, to be testified in due time."
Anonymous
Confessing Orthodox Lutheran.
KJV 1 TIMOTHY 2:8 "I will therefore that men pray EVERYWHERE, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting."
Jeske is enamored of the new world order according to an old YouTube sermon. I fail to see what the NWO promises him.
What can you say? Jeske is a man on his own mission.
There are individuals in the WELS who are heavily invested in keeping the globalist agenda hidden. Jeske plainly chose his side of this issue with his YouTube commentary/sermon.
http://bailingwater.blogspot.com/2009/06/open-thread.html
Jeske's comments included in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUGkaV0kZ2g
Jeske, "[T]he authority of a government ... that authority structure is built and designed by God Himself.... Even bad governments carry God's authority.... Even bad governments do God's work by keeping some semblance of order in the streets. Even the government of the Soviet Union under Stalin was doing the work of God. Even China, under Mao Tse-Tung, was doing work for God."
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/04/real-cult-menace-part-two-freedom.html
Huh?
With this quote, I think Pr. Jeske is confused. He thinks Lutherans are Calvinists.
LPC
LPC, Jeske's statements coincide with some of the recent comments on Ichabod saying that even false teachers are doing God's work. One even made a choice between being a high church Christian apostate and low church Christian apostate. Some like S.W. Becker confess that there are unbelieving Christians. This issue is the point of my question on Extra Nos - what is a Christian. WELS is unable to see a point where people are or are not Christian. I think the basis for this problem is UOJ declaring the whole world forgiven, justified and righteous by God's divine verdict. Everyone is a saint blah blah blah.
Brett.
Ahh now, I know what you mean.
This is what absolutely made me choke at UOJ. After a while, I would hear articulations of this (in my case through the internet hearing some LC-MS pastors), that in effect everyone is a Christian, some know about it, others are yet to know they have been one all along.
I said , what? Huh? I would be having this suspicion, something is just not right. I am glad I bumped into Dr. Ichabod who nudged me to pursue finally my suspicion.
I also think UOJ leads to antinomianism, which of course is the result of universalism.
On another note, UOJ is the dominant thought in American Lutheran theology but it would be interesting if present German orthodox Lutherans have anything on this. I suspect they do not accept this.
I know it is rare now to find German orthodox Lutherans but if NT Scholar Peter Stulhmacher might be one, then Stuhlmacher based on his Romans commentary, denies that the Atonement = Justification which UOJ affirms.
Stuhlmacher says the Atonement is the ground of Justification, if the latter is grounded on the former, clearly the two are not synonymous, which UOJers make them to be.
God bless,
LPC
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