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I.J. Reilly
so your son needs a picture of Ski with T.I. (whoever that is) to make up for your inability to properly train your child in the way he should go?
That's too bad, but I suppose it's good you can admit it.
For everyone else here's a little snippet of lyric from "T.I." who Ski apparently got his photo taken with.
This is the musician who I.J. Reilly let's his son listen to.
>>>Hey would ya, stay?
Could ya play wit it with your tongue just a little?
You're such a sexy individual, physical and mental
And if you sentimental
Shouldn't the rules bend a little
Let me start at the top, stop in the middle
Use a popsicle make shiver, giggle when it tickle
I can talk to you dirty if you like that
I finish once, hit a blunt, start right back
I know you told me you a good girl
But shawty you a grown woman not a little girl
You can blame it on the Patrãn or the champagne
But sometimes being bad can be a good thing, ya now<<<
What a good Christian father Reilly is! He allows his kid to listen to vile music and justifies a "pastor" who does the same.
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I followed the link to Amnesty's homepage and the first thing that appears is a LGBT headline--and that's not a typo for the LBT sandwich, either.
I see the pastor at Freedom calls himself "Pastor Tim." You'd think that would be informal enough to attract the youth, and they wouldn't need the CORE for that, unless the CORE is meant to attract the needle-swap house crowd.
Ski is going after the lost, he thinks, but these aren't the kind of lost the Bible is speaking of. The kind he's going after are those who want to stay lost, and like it that way.
http://www.stpetercares.com/site/pastorupdate.asp?sec_id=2440
Pastor Tim
http://www.amnestyusa.org/lgbt-human-rights/page.do?id=1011002
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Human Rights
I am certainly no Adonis....
But, gee Ski, these women are WAY out of your league....
Is that why you need to get your picture taken with all these hot chicks?
Ski is highly sought-after by women.
"Ski is going after the lost, he thinks, but these aren't the kind of lost the Bible is speaking of. The kind he's going after are those who want to stay lost, and like it that way."
Wow. And you guys say you're not legalists. The Pharisees were about that judgmental. Shame on you.
Those were exactly the kind of people Jesus went after.
There are other problems here that a good shrink needs to address before something serious happens.
To those of you criticizing Ski for this picture, I have but six words -- "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road." In the words of Comic Book Guy, "Best. Alt. Traditional. Country. Album. Ever!"
This is just plain weird. Seriously – it isn't normal. It seems he needs to be seen with celebrities of all sorts. At first, it was just celebrity Christians – specifically, popular leaders of the Transformational-Charismatic Leadership type. Up to now, I've been willing to chalk Ski's obsession with celebrities up to a harmless eccentricity. But I think that Anon @5:33pm may have a point.
So I Googled the phrase Psychological condition person who needs to be seen with celebrities. The fifth link looked interesting. An article appropriately titled Hot Female Celebrities, in the “Arts & Entertainment” section of Associated Content, had this to say:
We live in a celebrity-obsessed culture. It's big business... There is even a new psychological condition referred to as Celebrity Worship Syndrome (also known as CWS). A CWS sufferer is a person that is obsessed with a person in the public eye. The condition is sometimes referred to as Celebrity Obsession Syndrome or Mad Icon Disease. We can't get enough of looking at their pictures, reading about their success as well as their tragedies.
Naturally, I thought this paragraph was a joke. So I Googled the phrases Celebrity Worship Syndrome and Mad Icon Disease. It's not a joke. It is an obsessive-addictive psychological disorder that apparently afflicts nearly one-third of the population, on a severity continuum from unhealthy interest through dysfunctional to pathological. Accordingly, three categories of CWS have been suggested: Entertainment-social, Intense-personal, and Borderline-pathological. Wikepedia reports:
Evidence indicates that poor mental health is correlated with celebrity worship. ...Maltby et al. (2001) found evidence to suggest that the intense-personal celebrity worship dimension was related to higher levels of depression and anxiety... [and] in 2004, found that [it] was not only related to higher levels of depression and anxiety, but also higher levels of stress, negative affect, and reports of illness... [Further findings suggest] that as celebrity worship becomes more intense, and the individual perceives having a relationship with the celebrity, the more the individual is prone to fantasies.
Of course, there are those who advocate CWS as healthy. Time Magazine suggests:
There is a growing body of evidence that suggests that the human brain is not well equipped to distinguish between real relationships and ..."parasocial," or imagined ones. That means that some of the benefits people get from pseudo relationships with celebrities may be the same as those reaped from real friendships and real-life interactions.
There are many websites that discuss this disorder. One excellent editorial I found, entitled Starsruck, was written in 2003 by John Schumacher of the New Internationalist magazine. His analysis is directly relevant to the Church Growth Movement, and offers much to consider as we evaluate the real consequences of importing supposedly “required” elements of pop-culture directly into church practice. In light of CWS, it also offers a glimpse into the mind of charismatic CGM leaders, based on how they conduct themselves in public in a way that seems to incrementally scale the ladder of fame, and provides a real basis for considering whether charismatic leadership is a healthy model to follow in our post-modern age. Are these leaders mentally stable? Can we rely on their integrity? Or are they living out their fantasies of fame in some way, through the resources of the church?
Freddy Finkelstein
I reread the article, Starstruck that I referenced, above. It is not just an excellent editorial. It is a devastating critique. I highly recommend that one read it. The link I provided in my previous post was to a copy of the article. Here is the link to the published article on the New Internationalist website: http://www.newint.org/issue363/essay.htm
Is that Freedom Shirt the only one he owns?
Freddy Finkelstein is really on to something. Not only does Mad Icon Disease explain why the supermarket tabloids are so popular (a third of the population has an unhealthy interest, or worse, in celebrities), but it explains Ski's condition, and why down through the years so many LCMS pastors have worshiped CFW Walther, and WELS pastors have worship Doctor Sigmund Becker (honorary doctorate, I assume, just like Walther's and Hoenecke's doctorates were). Yes, WELS sem students and pastors listened to everything Becker said, including about eschatology and UOJ, because he reportedly read the entire NT in Greek without once being at a loss what a word meant, and he even dreamed in Koine Greek. Those abilities makes him as infallible as the pope, they seemed to think. By the way, I'm sure plenty of popes were smarter than Becker, but I'd still never say they were infallible. Anyway, I think they offer up those reasons to make their Mad Icon Disease seem rational and sane.
These are wonderful exposes of things gone awry in synod. Now, the question is whether or not synod will wake up to a large and growing problem within their fold. Chances are that the leaders will summarily dismiss it as the work of the devil and a damned world.
Blasphemy! This blog practices blasphemy. WELS pastors and leaders do not suffer from mental disorders. You do.
I think this line of comments should be in the dictionary as a definition of the word "irony." I would be willing to wager that Freddy and the others who posted here would be among those who would condemn the use of any psychology in counselling and who would question the reality of concepts like clinical depression. I can't tell you how many times I've heard "good conservative Lutherans" say like this: "The person who claims to be depressed only needs to believe a little more." Yet, here you are, quoting some source from the internet about some obscure psychological theory simply because it "explains" the behavior of someone you don't like. I wonder how some of you can sleep at night!
Ski needs to grow a beard. A 2nd chin that big is a stumbling block to the Gospel. Know who loves a good neck-beard, Ski? The ladies.
Anonymous at 10:28AM, I can't stop laughing.
"The person who claims to be depressed only needs to believe a little more."
Pastor use lines like this all the time to get members to do what they want.
Reilly, to what do you contribute Ski's picture with a porn star?
Do you, like Joe Krohn, feel that he was looking for an opportunity to witness to her God's Law? Do you think he shared God's Law with her that day then embraced for a photo? How often do WELS pastors pose for photo's (not to mention highlight the pics on Facebook) with those they are witnessing to because they, outside of faith in Christ, stand condemned by God and are on the wide road to Hell?
Not only has Ski and Glende become students of the culture, they have become the culture. They are living the life of celebrities, financing their escapades with WELS money. Reaching for the stars while standing on the backs of those they say they serve.
Ski, "We work to be students of the culture."
I. J. Reilly first postulates that blog posters on Ichabod don't give psychiatry any credence, and then postulates that some posters on Ichabod actually do give some credence to psychiatry, but only when it pertains to people we don't like. Then he accuses the posters of irony (apparently meaning hypocrisy), and then he thinks the posters' consciences should trouble them enough over that hypocrisy that shouldn't be able to sleep at night.
I think that would a be called a stretch of the imagination if there ever was one, I. J. Reilly.
No one has yet explained why it is wrong to have your photo taken with celebrities. It's not my thing. I wouldn't seek it out myself. I still don't know why this is such a big deal to the geniuses who post on this blog, though.
Brett, I think the word is "attribute," not "contribute." I don't contribute anything to it, but I attribute it to his interest in pop culture.
I should talk, though. I meant to write "say things like this" instead of "say like this" in my last post. I didn't check it well enough before posting.
If we were just talking about a picture of Mr. and Mrs. Ski, no one would be saying anything. I would like to see such a photo. A photo gallery of yourself with untold other women not including your wife is another matter. Now do you get it?
Let me tell you a little story. My son had just about had it with church and God. He had seen things happen in "good traditional Lutheran" churches (including my own) that began to make him think that there was nothing worthwhile for him at church. One day, I took him to The Core for a non-church event (the much maligned film festival -- a whole other story). He had never met Ski before. Ski complemented him on his Big Black shoes. My son was impressed that someone over the age of thirty even knew what Big Black was all about. Ski then proceeded to show my son a picture of him standing next to T.I. My son's jaw dropped open. He's been attending The Core ever since and is still getting a chance to hear God's Word there. Yes, Virginia, there is God's Word at The Core.
Like I said in a previous post, having pictures taken next to celebrities is not my thing. I don't think I'd ever actively seek out that sort of thing. I'm thankful, though, that it is Ski's thing for the sake of my son.
Thanks Bill. You may need to explain this to I. J. Reilly.
Bill--
You know nothing of me. You know nothing of my family situation. All you know is that I like Ski and I am grateful for his ministry to my son. My son's crisis of confidence in the church did not come from my lack of training and instructing him in the Lord. If you knew my other children, you would not say something like that. His crisis of confidence in the church came from observing people in the church making small-minded comments, kind of like the comments you made in your post. As for him liking rap, I like some rap as well, one of my favorites is Eminem. At least I know that he has some knowledge of what is happening in the world. He is not going to be going out into the world as some naive waif who will have his faith shaken by the first shocking thing he has seen after being cloistered, as I saw happen with a good number of people who led too sheltered lives while growing up. I know I'm going to get blasted for saying that; but so be it, it's true. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I feel really sorry for most of the people who write in support of Insurance Salesman Jackson. What tiny, gloomy lives you must live!
Ah...Reilly,
You are right to say I don't know you.I only judge you by what you say of yourself.
What you display of yourself is classic Situation Ethics.
Rightness and wrongness are not dependant on your situation
Situation ethics?!?!?!?!? Give me a break! Situation ethics is breaking the Eighth Commandment with every post and then saying that it doesn't apply to you because you serve a higher cause. What I described is a situation where my son was turned off by the church (not God) because people in the church think they can say any mean thing they want to because they think they're serving the church. Usually such people are not serving the church or God, they are serving a building, a hymnal, or a tradition. That, my dear friend, is what is happening on this blog every day. I hope that some people wake up and recognize that some day.
First off, I'm not your dear friend, Reilly. Rather than read a comment aimed at throwing an accusation back in my face I'd rather hear you defend permitting your kid to listen to a musician who's lyrics I posted above.I'm concerned for your son, not because he's turned off to church, but because he's being encouraged to ignore Philippians 4:8
8Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
Scripture repeatedly tells us to stay away from the evil that world engages in. I think it's anti Christian to suggest that a person needs to partake in evil and support it (buying and listening to bad music) in order not to be a "naive waif". And since when did naivete become a bad thing? I wish I didn't know what the wicked do in private. Jesus told his disciples in Matt 10:16 to be innocent as doves and crafty as serpents. Regarding craftiness, I doubt that Jesus meant to have his disciples cleverly hide their faith by mimicking the world and listening to their music and adopting their culture. Rather, turn to Matt 5:15 to find out what Christ wants us to be: Beacons, set-apart, different. Why would you have faith and then hide under secular and sinful music? I don't get it Reilly! And I do hope that your son's spiritual crisis may be averted, but it's with the Word and the Sacrament through which he will be strengthened--and through Pastors and teachers who really on the Means of Grace alone to attract. Have you ever considered that your son isn't able to hack those challenges because his 'saltiness' has been degraded by listening to violent and sexually explicit lyrics? A person's conscience and 'spiritual center' very quickly become burdened and confused by swallowing the lies of evil culture: Being in the world AND of it. Throw that music away, man! You don't need it. It's hurting you and your kid. Be like Joseph and RUN from evil.
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