Thursday, June 4, 2009

Is the FIC Editor in Bed with Church and Change?



The FIC editor ran a puff piece on the Latte Church run by Randy Hunter. Church and Change (see F. Bivens) used to write most of FIC, but the number of Shrinkers writing for the magazine has shrunken in June. Still, it's neat to have the denominational editor in your pocket. The Church and Changers always write about how much everything has to change, so I highlighted the word in red.


Should the church change? Part 3


Author: John A. Braun, FIC Editor


No. Yes. Maybe. The third answer gets more complicated. We must understand two principles. First, we are not free to alter the Scriptures, the Ten Commandments, or anything else God has clearly revealed to us. Second, we are free to do anything that God has neither forbidden nor commanded. So then can we change anything that God has left open to us?

The apostle Paul advises, “ ‘Everything is permissible’—but not everything is beneficial. ‘Everything is permissible’—but not everything is constructive” (1 Corinthians 10:23). Just because we can change things does not mean that we should.

If the change does not build faith but instead troubles the faith of our brothers and sisters in Christ, we might choose not to change. If a change is necessary, we will go about making the change in such a way that it does not destroy the faith of believers.

As God’s people we must understand that we are all intertwined as part of his church here on earth. We know that without faith in Jesus there is no hope of forgiveness, life, or salvation. None of us wants to do something that will destroy the faith of another. So we are careful about what we do. Love for others in God’s household guides us in our discussions of proposed changes so that what is adopted—if it is a change or not—is beneficial and constructive to the others in Christ’s church.

As believers we are also concerned about what those outside the visible church think of our changes. Two examples: We might be free to serve beer or wine after our congregational meetings, but we don’t. That would give the wrong impression of our beliefs to those who do not know us. And we don’t immerse people at Baptism either. Certainly we can, but that might give the impression that we hold a view of Baptism that requires immersion, and that is not biblical. So we don’t.

We have to ask difficult questions when thinking about change. Does our action imply that we have changed our beliefs? Do our changes make us just like everyone else and minimize the teachings God has led us to hold dear? Do changes amount to little more than a “bait and switch” strategy? In other words, do we change to attract others who expect us to be like the church down the street but then we require them to switch to a host of Bible teachings not believed by the church down the street?

Sometimes change in our practice has a way of influencing change in our beliefs too. For example, as Lutherans we believe that the gospel is the center of all we do. Our liturgy helps us maintain that focus with the readings and sermon. We create worship that gives the gospel a central place. What happens to that emphasis when the focus shifts to provide entertaining experiences in worship? If we don’t change do we become elitists who treasure only 16th-century music? Yet adopting other forms might remove the gospel from center stage. Certainly we are free to change, but maybe the change will not be beneficial to God’s people. These are tough questions.

Once we think the church needs change, we come to the beginning of the discussion, not the end of it. We may not all agree, but we all need to treat one another with love and respect in the debates and discussion.

We must be careful about making changes in those things which God has given us freedom to change. Yes, we are free to change, but not all changes are beneficial.



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GJ - The Straw Man is there for everyone to savor. Those favor only 16th century hymns are elitists. Of course the statement is turned into a question so the editor can waffle on that point too. Still, the object is to throw poop in the face of those who favor classical hymns that glorify God. Braun does not want to be burdened with elitists, so I imagine from his meretricious editorial that he favors staring at a screen full of Randy Hunter while a lady plays at being a pastor.

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From Part I, by Braun:

The question is loaded. I found the question in a brochure that challenged the church’s response to some moral questions. Our contemporary world asks us to change and keep up rather than sink back to traditional ideas that no longer apply and appear to be outdated.

But it’s a fair question and needs an answer. The idea of change is raised about issues that are just as volatile as contemporary moral dilemmas. Should the church change its worship forms? Should we change our approach to attract more people? Do we change to meet the challenge of our postmodern or post-Christian audience?

More of the same, Part II.

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GJ - Just asking questions? So coy.

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Anonymous wrote: FIC is all about change and slamming us elitists for being Lutheran. You can quote me on that. I think if Schroeder goes down then WELS is gone for sure.

Another Reason for WELS Budget Problems



Glende, Ski, and Katie went to Seattle for "a pastor conference," but WELS was busy with graduation at MLC and The Sausage Factory that week. Church and Change loves Driscoll, so maybe they went there.
Dying to know - Tweet us. Thnx. Ur gr8.
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Here is a link about WELS budget problems.

Ice Cream, Ice Cream, Ice Cream



Craig Groeschel, Life Church, trained at a Disciples of Christ seminary. Like the Babtists, the Disciples are opposed to
infant baptism and baptismal regeneration.
Screaming is a substitute for content.
Look at those neck veins pop.


Bishop Katie's Blog:

On Sunday Ski said or rather shouted (if you were there you know I’m serious) “Churches want to put out their hand to help people out of the mud, but that’s not what our Savior does. Our Savior climbs in the mud with you and pulls you up and helps you out. That’s what we’re about.”




The Buffalo Bills sound better.

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Look what I found at The CORE website -

The Core's:
Confessions


We all have sicknesses within us that seem to eat us up inside. These range from anger and bitterness to envy, guilt, and pride. The first step in receiving forgiveness for these sins that lurk deep within is confessing them. Please use the form below to anonymously confess the sickness that is eating at you from within. Also, please feel free to read other people's confessions using the tags on the right side of the page and pray that God may give those individuals the strength to heal from their sicknesses.

Use the form below to make your anonymous confession:

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GJ - Posted with the confession form is a graphic almost exactly like the one I downloaded from Craig Groeschel for The Sickness Within. Don't worry - I signed the license agreement.

The sermon theme for this Sunday is: The Sickness Within, Control. That happens to be in the same order as the one I downloaded from Craig Groeschel. When other denominations copy Groeschel, they even use the same number for each sermon. Control is #4, while pride was #3.

The Sickness Within - Control - Watermark Community Church.
"This podcast is a production of Watermark Community Church. Our church was designed for those who had given up on the local church."

Does that sound like Ski? Just a little?

Ichabodians, members of WELS have given vast sums of money to clone a Groeschel/Stanley cell in Appleton, in Fox Valley where they hardly need one more WELS congregation. Or one more Emerging Church. A-town has several of those. Ski went to the Alliance one several times, as he Tweeted.

Naturally, the money was given directly to this badly needed mission in Fox Valley, to finance:


  1. A huge movie theatre with a myriad of sub-woofers.
  2. Two full-time staffers who do minimal work.
  3. Five conferences Ski has attended, not to mention three at least attended by Katie.


Church and Change has been doing this for a long time, diverting funds for their own pet projects, or draining the synod coffers directly. Ask them how they do this. They are the dominant element at The Love Shack, The Sausage Factory, and Martin Luther College. The provide seminars for their disciples at their conferences.

So, when more pastors are canned permanently due to lack of funds, count up the money Church and Change has diverted to their Wild Hair Missions Department.





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Vatican laments drop in confessions


VATICAN CITY (AP) - A Vatican official is lamenting that many faithful no longer confess their sins, and says some confuse a psychologist's couch for a confessional booth.

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GJ - Ski, Groeschel and the Antichrist are singing from the same page of the hymnal on this one. I think anonymous Internet confessions are the way to go, especially since Ski can check on the IP addresses, find out who wrote them, and shake them down for bigger offerings. Hey, it worked with Schwan.

PS - Why am I posting Ski's borrowed sermon themes faster than they Tweet them at The CORE? Can't two full-time staffers find time to send out the name of the latest borrowed sermon?




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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Ice Cream, Ice Cream, Ice Cream":

Don't worry about Ski baptizing babies, Craig. He doesn't use the sacraments at all.

All his new members already were baptized in other WELS churches, where he is drawing them from (how strange for a "mission" congregation). And as for the Lord's Supper, he's just as ashamed of that as he is of his Lutheranism.

So don't worry. He's just like you.

Church and Chicaneries Covered with Flopsweat, Longing for Revenge




Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Crocodile Tears from Real Crocks":

I have attended many of the conferences along with many WELS pastors, teachers, DPs, CPs, and sem profs. I'm sure I saw you there as you would be the one with the scowl on your face and cowering in the corner hoping not to be discovered. Meeting under cover with your fellow Ichabod plants planning and plotting the next attack.

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GJ - I wonder what got this person's didies in a bunch.