Saturday, November 14, 2009

The Real Issue about the Chicago Stealth Congregation




Self-parody. Not a product of LOL-Lutherans.com


Michael Schottey has left a new comment on your post "Good Sign - Comments Getting More Abusive":

Awww...thanks for playing along Anon@7:11. The real question is whether or not you're a WELS member, human being, or Christian because you're posting anonymously.

But thanks for calling MY accountability into question. I'm too old for that kind of spine twisting maneuver.

I have been there. My sister (recently moved from New Ulm to Tulsa, OK) spent two years as a member of Crossroads. Being a family man, I've worshiped, attended Bible Study, and even potlucked there.

I've also sat with the pastor there and discussed how foolish I think it is to leave out the name Lutheran so he knows exactly how I feel about that and other CG garbage.

But again, thanks for stopping by---whoever you are.

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GJ - I give Michael credit for signing his name and being frank. Open discussions are good. I have no use for people who send insulting and crude comments, anonymously, but it does please me that I have gotten under their skin.

If someone sends a comment, it does not de-rez in seven days. I can use it as long as it exists. The defense of the Chicago stealth congregation is typical of WELS attitudes, and I sympathize to some extent (but not enough to stop pounding the Shrinkers). We do not want to break the bonds of friendship and kinship, but we should know the Word will do that. Jesus taught that clearly enough.

KJV Mark 3:32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. 33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? 34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

The point of my original post was to highlight the stealth congregation in Chicago. Readers with good memories will recall that the pastor had already studied under the odious Leonard Sweet before Kelm sponsored and defended that particular Chicanery conference. Someone leaked the listserve comments.

I highlighted the stealth congregation in Chicago to show how despicable FIC has been. The subsidized WELS magazine is the publishing arm of Church and Change, itself a free-basing parachurch organization. So the suckers of WELS pay for Church and Change to send its propaganda all over the world, via print and the sluggish website (run by another Shrinker).

The mission offering is to convey Christ's Gospel to the world? Not so fast. A vast amount of that money goes to promote the most blatant false doctrine, by means of:
  1. FIC.
  2. Various useless periodicals.
  3. Both mission boards and their CG lackeys.
  4. Mission counselors, possibly more dangerous than the periodicals.
  5. Mary Lou College, The Sausage Factory.
  6. Parachurch CG tumors started with synod money and led by Chicaneries.
  7. Free staff for well-connected pastors like Don Patterson.
  8. Doctrinal Pussycat enablers, who get their own fat subsidies for the onerous work of protecting Shrinkers like Parlow, Ski, Witte, Hunter, Olson, Gunn, etc.
  9. Vicars for cutting-edge Shrinkers like Randy Hunter.
As I have said many times before, the non-Lutherans would brandish pitchforks and burning torches if a speck of baptismal regeneration, Real Presence, or efficacy of the Word emanated from their scrofulous schools and printing presses. They must lick their slavering jaws when the conservative Lutherans show up with wads of Thrivent cash and synod subsidy money in their fists. WELS members - your pastors have earned DMins in Church Growth from such prestige schools as:
  1. Gordon Conwell - Witte. Now on the Asian board. Nice promo.
  2. Fuller Seminary - L. Olson. Waldo Werning Professor of Church Growth at Mary Lou College.
  3. Denver - John Parlow, St. Mark Depere, a congregation of the Willow Creek Association.
  4. Our Lady of Perpetual Sorrows in St. Louis - Paul Kelm, the retiring but never shy guru of Reformed doctrine for WELS.

ELCA Pastor Not So Keen on Growthism




The original motto on the banner was: "A changeless Gospel in a changing world." Look for that on WELS websites. It is not absolute proof of Chicanery, but it is an indication.

Here is a link for an article by an ELCA pastor. His theological education was obviously "neo" but he does refer to Luther quite a bit. I always check the citations first in an essay, to see if it is worth glancing at.

The rule seems to be - "The closer one is to claiming Lutheran Orthodoxy, the less likely it is that the errors of Church Growth will be addressed." I say that because an ELCA pastor has written more here than the Synodical Conference put together. My contributions would throw off that statistic except that I was defenestrated and placed in the Cone of Silence. The alleged Church of the Lutheran Confession is farther up the CG wazoo than WELS, and that is saying a lot.

The non-Lutherans have been even more scathing than the Lutherans in their coverage of Church Growthism. Non-Lutherans do not offer DMins in the Lutheran Means of Grace, but synodical Lutherans go to anti-Lutheran seminaries to obtain DMins in Church Growth Enthusiasm. And the synodical Lutherans continue to sleep and slumber.

KJV Mark 14:41 And he cometh the third time, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.

Lost Momentum at Church and Change




Agent X caught this lovely photo of the latest Chicanery meeting.


It's over, man! A week ago, already!


2009 conference registration is open!

The 2009 Church and Change conference will be here before you know it and the on-line registration is ready to go. For a full description of each presenter/topic please click home/2384/2384/file/C&C%20program_color.pdf. Once you have decided which session you would like to go to please click here www.regonline.com/churchandchange2009 to register for the conference.

I crossed my fingers and traveled to the Chicanery websty, hoping for an update on the November 5-7 meeting. They are still advertising a meeting that was over a week ago.

Ha ha. I guess they need more planning, more Management by Objective. Or perhaps their key leaders were too busy working on their next FIC articles and MLC keynote addresses.

Or rehearsing "Party in the WMA" (Wyndham Milwaukee Airport).

I hopped off the bus at WMA
with some chicks and my Church Growth books.
Welcome to the land of beer and brats, (woah)
am I gonna fit in?

Jumped in the cab,
Here I am for the first time.
Look to the right and I see the Church and Change sign
This is all I murmur -
"Everybody seems so Schwaermer!"

My tummys turnin and I'm feelin Pentecostal
Too much Millers and I'm queasy,
That's when the taxi man turned on the radio,
and a Koine song was on,
and the Koine song was on,
and the Koine song was on.

CHORUS:
So I put both hands up
They’re playing our song,
And the Lutherans fly away.
Noddin’ my head like Sweet
Moving my hips like Ski,
And I put both hands up,
They’re playin our song
I know I'm gonna be Church Growth.
Yeah, It's a party in the WMA!
Yeah, It's a party in the WMA!

Get to the bar in my taxi cab
Everybody's lookin at me now
Like “who's that hick, with the porcine chicks?
They gotta be from out of town.”

DK Has A Better Idea





dk has left a new comment on your post "Haze-Maker: Founder of Modern Theology - Major Inf...":

I read your post about abusive comments and I'm surprised to hear people insult you for the kitty pictures.

Perhaps you should leave off posting lol cats--and start posting LOL Lutherans!

Haze-Maker: Founder of Modern Theology -
Major Influence Upon Barth, Fuller Seminary's Theologian




FDE Schleiermacher, whose name means "Haze-Maker," studied at Halle University and became a universalist.

Schleiermacher is the most important theologian for apostates. My liberal Reformed professor at Notre Dame loved Schleiermacher.

Karl Barth was profoundly influenced by Schleiermacher and probably learned the essentials of faith without belief from FDE.

Barth was an ardent Marxist and adulterer. He even moved his mistress and co-author, Charlotte Kirschbaum, into his home. Fuller Seminary turned away from its weak inerrancy position when the founder's son studied under Barth in Switzerland. The Fuller president denounced inerrancy as holding back missions! The inerrancy professors were purged or left on their own (as they always do in official announcements). From that point on, Fuller became Church Growth by hiring a liberal statistician named Donald McGavran.

I hope this little post helps people understand the innate universalism behind Fuller's Growthism.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Haze-Maker: Founder of Modern Theology - Major Inf...":

What I'd like to know, is this Karl Barth mentioned above the very same person (i.e. Karl L. Barth) who wrote a foreword to
'ESSAYS FOR THE CHURCH by CFW. Walther....VOLUMES 1 & 11,covering the years 1857 - 1879 (VOL 1), and the years 1877 - 1886 (VOL 11), published by Concordia Publishing house, 1992 ? (Please pardon my ignorance)

Shall be grateful if someone knows ?

It may "explain a lot" for me....presently studying the Election/Predestination Controversy.....according to this publication, alongside of the same issue as reported in 'THE LUTHERANS IN NORTH AMERICA' edited by E. Clifford Nelson; revised edition 1980/Fortress Press, Philadelphia....together with Kurt E Marquart's "paper" entitled 'JUSTIFICATION - OBJECTIVE and SUBJECTIVE: A TRANSLATION..."

Yes, those "above" three dots were given there (those dots are quoted verabatim). Mentioned on the front cover of this last mentioned Concordia Theological Seminary Press Fort Wayne Indiana publication,published in 1982.

KEM: "This is a translation - perhaps a little wooden for the sake of literal precision--of the essay on Justification presented and adopted at the first Synodical Convention in 1872. Proceedings,pp. 20 - 68. Written PROBABLY BY F. A. Scmidt, who later became virulently anti-Missourian, this important essay is favourably cited and appealed to in F. Bente's tripartite "Die neue und die alte Lehre der Ohio-Synode von der allgemeinen Rchtfertigung," Lehre und Wehre, vol. 51, no. 9, Sept. 1905,pp.385. All underlinings follow the original.

KEM thereby gives attribution for this paper to F. A. Schmidt, even though such attribution remains unproven. He also, as given in the quotation above, refers to the "IMPORTANCE" of this essay....

I have not copy of the Bente publication Marquart refers to above, but certainly did not see F. A. Schmidt;s paer - IF it is his - as in any way "important".

It really is not a very good paper on Justification at all; not even FOR the OJ position it seeks to uphold...yet many of the conflcting internal arguments it contains ARE the points argued and promoted by UOJers in our day EVEN ON THIS WEBSITE (who, obviously MUST,therefore, be in possession of this document). .

Taken as a whole, this paper finds absolutely FOR the OJ case...but F.A. Schmidt - if indeed this paper was written by him - as KEM says was "probably" so, later became "virulently anti-Missouri".
(I can understand that. The theses are disjointed, internally self-contradictory, and are not in accordance with the The Word, or the BoC.

Unfortunately, I do not have access to F.A. Schmidt's subsequent writings on this matter (when he became "virulently anti OJ/Missouri"....wish I did... ANYBODY ?)

If anyone else, like me, is VERY interested in this whole 19th Century Election/Predestination Controversy (that took a very different tack on Justification by Faith alone, via Grace alone, AS PROPOUNDED in the Bible and the BoC, then, thanks for your prayers and also any VERIFIABLE information you can maybe provide ?

God richly bless you..and God be thanked if you can help in any way.

Confessing Orthodox Lutheran.

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GJ - I am sure that the Karl Barth you mention is the "good" Karl Barth, the former president of Concordia, St. Louis. I understand Bohlmann drove him out and installed Johnson, a liberal chameleon.


The ELS Webber Link to Marquart's UOJ Defense






 

dk has left a new comment on your post "SP Schroeder Noticed by LCMS Blog":

Howdy Professor,

If you have a chance I would greatly appreciate your insight into Marquart's claim about what he calls the "proper" view of UOJ.
He delineates between Kokomo and older views (Walther etc .)
Here is the paper in question:

http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/djw/lutherantheology.marquartjustification.html

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GJ - My wife and I were members of Trinity in Bridgeton, Missouri (St. Louis area) when Larry Darby began to challenge people about UOJ. Pastor Bischoff agreed with Larry at first, then made him Public Enemy Number 1. Once the issue was raised, the congregation was in turmoil, because UOJ is utter nonsense, no matter how it is presented. Larry went his own way, and I disagree with him about many matters. Nevertheless, he was always pleasant, generous, and kind-hearted.

Since then I have been called a Calvinist, Darby-ite, and a follower of WAM II. Otten banned me from Christian News--no loss--for daring to raise issues about UOJ. Trinity refused to give CN money until I was banned. Lately Otten said he agreed with the Synodical Conference rather than the Book of Concord. Take note, Lutherans, a true synodical Lutheran will always place a recent publication above the ruled norm, the Lutheran Confessions.

I am not going to parse the entire Marquart essay. He was in failing health, and his effort is a mixed up affair, from beginning to end. He does mention the efficacious Word and the Means of Grace, but his argument contradicts the Biblical doctrine of the Word.

Sig Becker and Jon Buchholz have both tried to rescue UOJ from its sordid past, without success. Marquart tried as well.

I imagine the Jay Webber posting is an attempt to shore up UOJ by using Marquart as an authority. Webber prefers kelming material to writing something original. I noticed that the ELS, while extending the Left Foot of Fellowship to congregations and pastors, linked Webber's quotes on the ministry. So what did that prove? I should correct college essays by linking them to the dictionary or Strunk-White.

Back to the essay itself -

The old Knapp claim is asserted by Marquart:

"Put without polemics then, the justification of the sinner means the declaration of justice by God who at the cross and in the resurrection of Jesus Christ declares all sinners free and just, and thereby makes them just, though this act can, for the Church, have its consequences in the individual only if the individual submits in faith to God’s verdict. . ."

Is that not Kokomo justification? Knapp justification?

Strangely, Marquart quoted the repudiation of his opinion and claimed it as a perfect OJ/SJ triumph:

Both the “objective” and the “subjective” aspects of the biblical understanding of justification are well captured in this balanced definition of the Formula of Concord, Art. III, 4:

Against both parties it was unanimously preached by the other teachers of the Augsburg Confession that Christ is our Righteousness not only according to the divine nature, and not only according to the human nature, but according to both natures, Who as God and Man has redeemed, justified, and saved us from our sins by His perfect obedience: so that the righteousness of faith is forgiveness of sins, reconciliation with God, and that we are adopted as children of God for the sake of the sole obedience of Christ, which is imputed as righteousness to all who truly believe, only through faith, from pure grace, and they are absolved for the sake of the same from all their unrighteousness [my translation, as literal as I can make it].

Why on earth is the Catholic theologian Hans Kueng lifted up as an expert on this subject? I find that appalling. Count the Kueng references. Kueng was an enemy of papal infallibility, but that does not make him a Lutheran theologian. Kueng might as well have argued the theory that the sky is blue and water wet. Even then he would not be a Lutheran.

Marquart:

4.

Defensible Theses of Mr. Larry Darby:


1.

That the “Kokomo” notions about Judas and other inmates of hell being declared “innocent” and granted “the status of saints,” are an absurd and reprehensible travesty of Lutheran doctrine.


It is mind-boggling that any Lutheran could ever have written such stuff, and Mr. Darby is completely right to denounce it as the mischievous nonsense which it is.

But Marquart affirmed that very notion before, and cited the Formula of Concord to support his argument.

Here is another honker:

The trouble with these repulsive “Kokomo” statements is that they ignore the pivotal significance of the means of grace and thereby abandon the proper distinction of Law and Gospel. That, too, in essence is what was wrong with Samuel Huber’s proposal, early in the 17th century, of a notion of “universal justification,” which was duly rejected by representative Lutherans at the time. The story is told in detail by Dr. Tom Hardt of Sweden, in the 1985 Festschrift for Robert Preus, A Lively Legacy.7 Hardt is a meticulous scholar who demonstrates in detail the difference between the wrong sort of “objective justification,” as taught by Huber, and the right sort, as found in C.F.W. Walther’s Easter preaching and theology.

In light of Mr. Darby’s citation of the late Dr. Siegbert Becker in support of the “Kokomo” theses (HD, p. 240), I now regret my editorial note (A Lively Legacy, p. 78) which attempted to shield Becker against criticism by Hardt on justification. However technically defensible my cavils may have been, the larger truth signaled by the “Kokomo” affair is that Hardt was right and I was wrong.

Certain ELS and LCMS leaders worship, adore, and support Tom Hardt. The idea here is to return to the infallibility of Walther, who borrowed his scheme from the Pietists he associated with, whose position is found in the theology of Halle University's Knapp.



F. Schleiermacher
Wickedpedia has a good summary about him: "Schleiermacher was born in Breslau in the Prussian Province of Silesia, the son of a Prussian army chaplain in the Reformed Church. He was educated in a Moravian school at Niesky in Upper Lusatia, and at Barby near Halle. However, pietistic Moravian theology failed to satisfy his increasing doubts, and his father reluctantly gave him permission to enter the University of Halle, which had already abandoned pietism and adopted the rationalist spirit of Friedrich August Wolf and Johann Salomo Semler. As a theology student Schleiermacher pursued an independent course of reading and neglected the study of the Old Testament and Oriental languages. However, he did attend the lectures of Semler, where he became acquainted with the techniques of historical criticism of the New Testament, and of Johann Augustus Eberhard, from whom he acquired a love of the philosophy of Plato and Aristotle. At the same time he studied the writings of Immanuel Kant and Friedrich Heinrich Jacobi, and began to apply ideas from the Greek philosophers to a reconstruction of Kant's system."

Marquart on Schleiermacher:

Not to be discounted in the acculturating distortion of “objective justification” is the pervasive influence of Schleiermacher and his multitude of followers. Hoenecke put it like this:


According to Schleiermacher there is only a universal [allgemeinen] eternal decision [Ratschluss] of justification, which in turn is nothing else than the decision to send Christ, and in the end is nothing else than the decision to create the human race, insofar, that is, as only in Christ is human nature completed. In the decision of the Redemption is implied [liegt, lies] according to Schleiermacher already that mankind [die Menschen] are pleasing to God in His Son; there is no need for an individual temporal act of justification upon each individual [einzelnen] human being. It is necessary only that the individual human being become aware of this, that in God’s decision of the Redemption in Christ he has already been justified and made pleasing to God (III:355, my translation).

My Disagreements with Darby -

I disagree with Darby about the Atonement and the use of the Word. I am not sure where he was going with the Atonement or how he supported his ideas. He did get into his head the Schwaermer concept of verbatim quotations being the only Word of God. Evidence of that opinion can be found in certain TV evangelists who pepper their sermons with verbatim quotations and the citations thereof. Darby's approach to the Atonement and the Word are both departures from Scriptural, Confessional theology.

Conclusion -

Marquart has presented ideal unionistic theology, saying enough to appease the UOJ crowd and Walther worshipers while affirming the Means of Grace and the efficacy of the Word. He did not deal seriously with Luther or the Book of Concord, wandering all over the landscape instead.

Please accept the following as a rumor. If a rumor is old enough, it is history. See Suetonius and Herodotus on that score. I heard that Marquart initially opposed UOJ and changed his mind. He was a Robert Preus loyalist. The Preus brothers used UOJ to keep WAM II from becoming the Ft. Wayne president, and they really played dirty, sandbagging WAM with a papal letter sent everywhere by Jack Preus. Later, Robert got the same treatment from his brother Jack. That is the trouble with playing by Mafia rules.

I cannot say whether Marquart changed his mind or (that being so) he changed his mind for political reasons. Missouri is keen enough about itself to circle the Walther Memorial every time an issue comes up. No one is ever going to admit Walther or Pieper might have erred in their Human Natures.

Marquart was still alive when I finished Thy Strong Word. I sent it to him, but he did not acknowledge it. That was odd since we were on very good terms for many years. A UOJ opponent phoned him and found Marquart furious about TSW. When I saw Marquart at Ft. Wayne, he politely told me he received the book. I believe he also sent a postcard thanking me at about the same time. His comments and criticisms would have been welcome, but he never said or wrote anything.

A pall of silence fell upon the publication of TSW, and no one with any standing reviewed it. Otten refused to publish any positive comments about TSW in CN. If only I had been a Babtist or a member of a Bund!

To this day the entire corpus of criticism directed toward TSW can be summed up as - ad hominem and frigid silence.

What Would Sasse Say?


Bullet-head Jim Aderman could be another Sasse,
but instead he is another C. Peter Wagner.

Mark Henderson has left a new comment on your post "Sasse on the Holy Spirit":

Thank you Dr Jackson for mentioning my blog 'What Sasse Said'. I am continuing to add to it as often as I can, especially for the sake of lay people who might not be familiar with Sasse's wisdom.

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GJ - At an early point in leaving the LCA, I latched onto Sasse's This Is My Body, a brilliant book about the Real Presence and not compromising with the Reformed. I am happy for the Sasse blog and will now link it on the main page.

Jim Aderman, a founder of Church and Change, contributing editor of FIC,
recent retiree and school-closer.

Good Sign - Comments Getting More Abusive






Do they need to switch to de-caff?


I have been enjoying some comments lately, especially abusive and scatological ones. I figure the Shrinkers are starting to feel their losses. UOJ is not so eager to share its thousand points of darkness.

Here is a great irony. Every so often UOJ has to pop up and assert its strange and bizarre claims. That only reminds people how perverted the UOJ opinion is. Shoring it up with the Brief Statement and Walther does not help matters. That only reminds people about the heritage of UOJ and the fallibility of the Synodical Conference.

I hear that FIC  ran another UOJ article. I only read the magazine from its websty on WELS.net. Although WELS pumps a ton of money into "technology" each year, the FIC  updates are painfully slow - only October is showing at the moment. Is the magazine not produced on a computer? How difficult is it to post those shallow, Babtist-loving, UOJ articles? Would an update hurt circulation? Oh, that makes me laugh. WELS pastors have despised the magazine for several decades. One told a member he only reads the Mark Schroeder articles.

The only thing FIC can claim for itself is a two-year stretch trying to promote such Shrinker atrocities as Latte Lutheran Church, the Chicago stealth church, and Church and Change articles galore.

Michael Schottey has left a new comment on your post "Like Father, Like Son
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Have you ever been to Crossroads in Chicago? If you report about the vices of a congregation only in generic terms with no actual evidence or concrete information about it. It is mere ignorant slander.

For your information, Crossroads is a very law/gospel biblical based church that does a good job of providing spiritual milk every Sunday to a congregation of mostly visitors yet having a very good method of Bible instruction classes for members who need spiritual whole food.

Also, their "mission statement" is almost identical to the one you wrote at WLS.

A synodical publication is supposed to advance the agenda of the organization. That has been painfully obvious in the ELCA, LCMS, WELS, and the Little Sect on the Prairie. As WELS leaders always liked to say in the past, when they assumed false doctrine was lodged elsewhere, "A fish rots at the head first."

When the LCA got into quotas, The Lutheran magazine began to run articles based on quotas. The LCA had to admit that their fancy Yorba Linda mega-church experiment was a big flop, but the ELS, WELS, and Missouri mags have promoted the Shrinkers with unabated joy and undiminished ignorance.

Multi-culturalism, via quotas rather than the Gospel, is now assumed in all the four-letter Lutheran groups. Multi-culturalism, financed by Thrivent, is the fad that got the Ft. Hood terrorist labeled as a victim of stress rather than a Soldier of Allah. The ELS still thinks a mixed marriage is a Norwegian married to a Swede. Fuller embraced multi-culturalism a long time ago.

The problem with FIC is this - it no longer represents the WELS at convention. The old Northwestern Lutheran broke with its original mandate under Mischke and Jeb Schaefer. The Shrinkers had control of The Love Shack at that time. They still run FIC, as shown by the Chicanery editorial policy and Chicanery authors like Peter Pan-denominational, Kudu Don Patterson, Retiree James Aderman, Fuller Bivens, and the editor hisself.

Now the Shrinkers are getting their just reward after reaping destruction everywhere, dividing congregations, and grabbing money for themselves. The Shrinker head count at The Love Shack is...shrinking.

FIC could easily be produced as a PDF, emailed to everyone who needs to read it. The Chicanery content of FIC could be entirely eliminated. I have already taken over the promotion of Church and Change. I post their photos and their boasts. I notify people about their conference agenda. I even urge them to attend Chicanery events. What thanks do I get for all this?
  1. Abusive comments,
  2. Four-letter words,
  3. Shopworn insults,
  4. Empty threats of legal action,
  5. Mockery of the kitty photos.
--- Michael Schottey has left a new comment on your post "Good Sign - Comments Getting More Abusive": Awww...thanks for playing along Anon@7:11. The real question is whether or not you're a WELS member, human being, or Christian because you're posting anonymously. But thanks for calling MY accountability into question. I'm too old for that kind of spine twisting maneuver. I have been there. My sister (recently moved from New Ulm to Tulsa, OK) spent two years as a member of Crossroads. Being a family man, I've worshiped, attended Bible Study, and even potlucked there. I've also sat with the pastor there and discussed how foolish I think it is to leave out the name Lutheran so he knows exactly how I feel about that and other CG garbage. But again, thanks for stopping by---whoever you are. *** GJ - I give Michael credit for signing his name and being frank. Open discussions are good. I have no use for people who send insulting and crude comments, anonymously, but it does please me that I have gotten under their skin. If someone sends a comment, it does not de-rez in seven days. I can use it as long as it exists. The defense of the Chicago stealth congregation is typical of WELS attitudes, and I sympathize to some extent (but not enough to stop pounding the Shrinkers). We do not want to break the bonds of friendship and kinship, but we should know the Word will do that. Jesus taught that clearly enough. KJV Mark 3:32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. 33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? 34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. The point of my original post was to highlight the stealth congregation in Chicago. Readers with good memories will recall that the pastor had already studied under the odious Leonard Sweet before Kelm sponsored and defended that particular Chicanery conference. Someone leaked the listserve comments. I highlighted the stealth congregation in Chicago to show how despicable FIC has been. The subsidized WELS magazine is the publishing arm of Church and Change, itself a free-basing parachurch organization. So the suckers of WELS pay for Church and Change to send its propaganda all over the world, via print and the sluggish website (run by another Shrinker). The mission offering is to convey Christ's Gospel to the world? Not so fast. A vast amount of that money goes to promote the most blatant false doctrine, by means of:
  1. FIC.
  2. Various useless periodicals.
  3. Both mission boards and their CG lackeys.
  4. Mission counselors, possibly more dangerous than the periodicals.
  5. Mary Lou College, The Sausage Factory.
  6. Parachurch CG tumors started with synod money and led by Chicaneries.
  7. Free staff for well-connected pastors like Don Patterson.
  8. Doctrinal Pussycat enablers, who get their own fat subsidies for the onerous work of protecting Shrinkers like Parlow, Ski, Witte, Hunter, Olson, Gunn, etc.
  9. Vicars for cutting-edge Shrinkers like Randy Hunter.
As I have said many times before, the non-Lutherans would brandish pitchforks and burning torches if a speck of baptismal regeneration, Real Presence, or efficacy of the Word emanated from their scrofulous schools and printing presses. They must lick their slavering jaws when the conservative Lutherans show up with wads of Thrivent cash and synod subsidy money in their fists. WELS members - your pastors have earned DMins in Church Growth from such prestige schools as:
  1. Gordon Conwell - Witte. Now on the Asian board. Nice promo.
  2. Fuller Seminary - L. Olson. Waldo Werning Professor of Church Growth at Mary Lou College.
  3. Denver - John Parlow, St. Mark Depere, a congregation of the Willow Creek Association.
  4. Our Lady of Perpetual Sorrows in St. Louis - Paul Kelm, the retiring but never shy guru of Reformed doctrine for WELS.