WELS Pastor John Parlow, member of the Willow Creek Ministerium,
attended Babtist Drive '08 with Ski, Buske, and other WELS workers.
Willow Creek College hired Buske.
Notice St. Mark, Depere spending big money on Vision2Serve. That list is great fun, because Shepherd of the Lakes is misspelled. Now go to Shepherd's websty (synod? can't tell) - they misspell "ministries" on the navigation bar.
Fee Schedule
The V2S fee is $5,000 plus 2% of your last
year’s church operating budget up to $500,000;
Add 1% for budget amounts above $500,000.
• $2,500 is paid with contract.
• $2,500 is paid upon completing the first year 8-
The V2S fee is $5,000 plus 2% of your last
year’s church operating budget up to $500,000;
Add 1% for budget amounts above $500,000.
• $2,500 is paid with contract.
• $2,500 is paid upon completing the first year 8-
week program.
• The balance in 12-monthly payments starting a
month after the 8-week program.• The balance in 12-monthly payments starting a
You use the program annually, indefinitely and Vision 2 Serve provides on-going support. There are no payments due to V2S in future years.
We Guarantee
Your congregation will experience new enthusiasm for ministry. New giving will increase more than double our fee in the 12-months after implementing the V2S program or our fee is reduced to 1/2 the increase.
You Agree
To follow the Vision 2 Serve Program as outlined in the Success Manual, including the V2S plan for regular Monthly Updates to your congregation.
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GJ - The ethical fund-raising organizations do not charge a commission based on size or income. The Shrinker churches like to spend huge amounts with unethical fund-raisers.
Reading their material is like viewing the painting - The Blind Leading the Blind.
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Former WELSian.... said...
Well--St. Mark's in De Pere offers people 100 bucks in the form of a gift card for an "unchurched" person to come and "critique" the church. This I know from a direct conversation with Parlow himself (a conversation I did not seek btw).
I just laugh about it because it's so ridiculous to use greed or real need to basically trick people into church because we know better than the Holy Spirit I guess.
Anyways, I have 5 kids--if a church came to my door and offered me a 100 bucks to a store of my choice (St. Marks will do grocery stores, department stores--whatever the person wants)--I would so agree to do it!! I mean a 100 bucks is a big part of my grocery bill and honest if they are that stupid to throw money out the door..well....
http://angrylutherans.blogspot.com/2008/08/bribery-evangelism.html
Shh. Shrinker at work.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "How To Waste Money in Fox Valley - Follow the Shri...":
“Reading their material is like viewing the painting - The Blind Leading the Blind.”
Pet Peeve & Grip
Vision 2 Serve offers basic concepts for organizations seeking to accomplish something. This is what I expect synod to provide at a nominal charge – not large fees.
What do we get for all the money we pump into synod? We get the opportunity to provide on-the-job experiences and training for the graduates of their schools. This is enough to discourage most congregations and lead them to act like “dumb sheep” along for the ride.
Most members lack leadership training and skills, organizational know-how, etc. Those who serve as elders or council find themselves expected to go along with and rubber stamp the ideas of their pastor – a pastor who copies or mimics fellow pastors muddling along as best they can.
What we have right now is the blind leading the blind and lost congregations.
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GJ - I was shocked that the WELS collected their benevolence and then charged enormous fees for Perish Assistants to print up boilerplate. The growth of contemptuous services came from the over-paid consultants--trained at Fuller Seminary--commanding the change to bring in more members. The synod should refund all the money and list who was paid what for services rendered.
