The truth is revealed in the Word of God, confessed by the faithful,
handed down to each generation.
Tentative tentative title - Justification By Faith: Luther Against the Pietists. Advice is welcome.
WELS has consistently lied about the Kokomo Statements, three of which are almost verbatim from their own seminary professor, J. P. Meyer, Ministers of Christ. Sig Becker admitted that in writing, but the lie continues to be told.
UOJ comes from the Enthusiasm of Pietism, which is asserting itself again in the Church Shrinkage Movement. The final belch of Shrinkage (we can always hope) is Emerging Church, which is even more focused on Pietistic goals and methods - being relevant, transforming lives, creating holiness through cell groups.
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Are you saying that nonbelievers reject the promise of justification as opposed to rejecting actual justification? Reading alot of stuff here it seems like terms are really confused. Not trying to say you're unclear, but that the issue is complicated. And even those who teach Objective Justification don't use terms consistently. Could you write a lexicon permanently solidifying terms?
Sad fact is that without the firm foundation of Holy Scripture which the Holy Spirit works in God's children through faith (not UOJ's faith) false teachers will continually waffle on their doctrine.
This quote is from the June '09 discussion of UOJ on the Bailing Water blog site:
Brett,
We know how you feel about this topic. No denomination is
perfect. But sometimes you have to see the forest instead of the
trees. And I don't think you understand it. Couple to that the
fact that there is terminology that isn't always used correctly
when defining it which may be a part of the problem. Maybe
none of us have it right. But the fact remains and no one is
denying that you have to have saving faith. What do you think
about the statement God loves the sinner but hates the sin? How
do you reconcile the fact that God so loved the WORLD that He
gave His only Son? He loves all people whether they believe or
not. How do you feel about that?
JK (aka Joe Krohn, Luther Rocks, Anonymous)
JUNE 9, 2009 10:01 AM
Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
Without a quia subscription to the Lutheran Confessions it is impossible to remain Lutheran, properly dividing Law and Gospel. UOJ turns faith into Law.
From the same Bailing Water discussion:
Anonymous said...
You can't separate Law and Gospel. You can't separate
Subjective from Universal. Brett is going to continue to spew
this since he can't seem to put it in context. Anyone will draw
this conclusion with blinders on.
JK
JUNE 16, 2009 6:05 PM
Hear ye, hear ye! I found the link for Dr. C. H. Little. He has a few things to say about objective justification. He is the one who Edward Koeler borrowed from.
www.confessionallutherans.org/papers/little07html
What comes up is a book in 1933 by The Lutheran Literary Board, Burlington, Iowa. I found the site user-friendly and it contains the entire writtings. Go to the table of contents and click on Doctrine Of Justification.
Koeler was correct on his other teachings. He even worked faith alone in his teachings. It's like he through in the words universal and objective. He only used each word once and noted Dr. Little as a source. Too bad, because I feel that he had a good thing going without that error.
In Christ,
from WELS church lady
I guess it's the "Tentative tentative title" as sly dig on double-justification?
Those who promote the false gospel of Universal Objective Justification would have everyone believe that the reason the doctrine is not confessed in any of the Lutheran Confessional writings, contained in the Book of Concord, is that the Roman Catholic Church fully agreed with a doctrine of UOJ which has God declaring the entire unbelieving world forgiven of all sin, justified by Christ and righteous all before faith and all before any works can be accomplished toward the individuals justification (Rome's doctrine).
UOJ promoters will say that the Lutheran Confessions only speak of Justification by Faith (UOJ's Subjective Justification) as though that was the only central article that was under contention with Rome.
Ask any UOJ hireling for the definitive document which details the Lutheran Church's confession of Universal Objective Justification. A document which a Lutheran can turn to in order to scrub any other UOJ confession against in order to confirm it's validity and authenticity as to what the Lutheran Church teaches and believes concerning the central doctrine of Christian faith. They don't have it. All they can give you is essays by Becker, Buchholz, Zarling, H.A. Preus, Marquart (and all of these guys just quote each other for proof). Then they'll mock anyone who shows from Scripture and the Lutheran Confessions that Christ's doctrine, and in perfect unity the Lutheran Confessions, will not allow the existence of justification before faith, the forgiveness of sins before faith or the appeasement of God's wrath without obtaining Christ as mediator through faith alone.
Ask the UOJ promoters to provide the reference to Martin Luther's sermon on Objective Justification, Universal Forgiveness or Faith Is Nothing But An Empty Hand.
UOJ wants to use Romans 5:18-19 as proof text that God has declared the entire unbelieving world justified and righteous, just as Christ is, before faith.
Romans 5:18-19, "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." KJV
If these verses are incorrectly understood to declare all men righteous and justified by Christ's Atonement then it also declares all men saved. Justification of life is salvation. UOJists want to say Justification of life means the forgiveness of sins but that is not the meaning of the text. This is also shown in the NIV text which states, "so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men." Life is Salvation. The doctrine of UOJ is Universalism (No one will be condemend to Hell. Because Christ died to save all men, all men will go to Heaven). UOJists have perverted their own doctrine of Universalism in order to make it Lutheran and have failed miserably.
Having Christ's righteousness is salvation as verse 21 immediately following declares.
Verse 20, Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Verse 21, That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
UOJists are closet Universalists, without the pantyhose and makeup, just like their father Tholuck before them.
Hello Brett! Thanks for your earlier responses. Today I had a quick look at the January Forward In Christ A Lutheran Voice. Did somebody say "Lutheran"...? That's enough to make Pastor Jackson pay for a year's worth of subscriptions in advanced.
Schroeder's column is near the beginning! The "others" are still in place. I apologize for not having a copy of my own because they have not been distributed. However, there was an article by John Brenner titled Christs Love. It is about justification and takes up two pages.(again, I only had a few moments to skim) The terms Subjective, Objective, and Universal are not used.(in the time I had I WAS looking)
But the author does say: "He died for the sins of the whole world." and this: "God has forgiven me whether I feel forgiven or not." It would appear he is touching on the double-justification scheme.(just leaving out the terms) You may want to read the article for yourself. It is on pages 16 and 17. Again, I only jotted down a few notes.
In Christ,
from WELs church lady
That's one article that they are not posting on the WELS website.
I Googled 'John Brenner Christ's Love' though and up popped Ichabod. Turns out he's teaching the false gospel too.
http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2009/07/brenner-essay-christs-love-and-efficacy.html
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