and fight for position.
(J.P. Meyer) "When God reconciled the world to Himself through Christ, He individually pronounced forgiveness to each individual sinner whether that sinner ever comes to faith or not."
Since I assume you believe what you wrote in the above post, then I also assume that you you disagree with J.P. Meyer, Walther, Pieper, Sig Becker and all others who claim that ALL PEOPLE have been declared righteous.
Please confirm your belief by denying its opposite.
---Tom Wyeth
From Megatron, the Legendary Database:
"This applies to the whole world, to every individual sinner, whether he was living in the days of Christ, or had died centuries before His coming, or had not yet been born, perhaps has not been born to this day. It applies to the world as such, regardless of whether a particular sinner ever comes to faith or not." J. P. Meyer, Ministers of Christ, A Commentary on the Second Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, Milwaukee: Northwestern Publishing House, 1963, p. 109. 2 Corinthians 5:18-21
Rydecki, an Intrepid Lutheran:
You arbitrarily define Objective Justification with the quote that supposedly came from J.P. Meyer. I say "supposedly," because Pastor Jon Buchholz was unable to find the exact source of that quote when he presented his 2005 paper at the WELS synod convention. Nevertheless he addressed it...
And so, yes, I join Pastor Buchholz in rejecting the statement you quoted as Scripturally inaccurate, and also as an inaccurate representation of Objective Justification.
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GJ
I found the quotation on Megatron in 5 seconds. WELS is doing a 1984 and making their own published falsehoods disappear down the memory hole.
Rydecki and Buchholz reject J. P. Meyer's statement on OJ as Scripturally inaccurate and as a false representation of OJ. And yet, a WELS pastor told me that J. P. Meyer is so beloved in WELS that no one dast criticize what he has written. Can anyone sort out this sludge? It is either too deep or too shallow for me.
The WELS Kokomo Statements are their official take on justification, backed a review committee headed by their NT professor Armin Panning, seconded by Sig Becker's published approval of the Statements. Three of the four Kokomo Statements are almost verbatim from J. P. Meyer's book - published by WELS NPH.
Do not be surprised. Rydecki started with an initial observation about the Flying Gospel sermon from The Guilt Factory, followed by an excellent quotation from Luther. Both statements revealed a dissent from the UOJ bilge promoted by WELS. After 24 hours of pressure, Rydecki folded and began trumpeting the official position again, replying scornfully to those who agreed with him the day before.
WELS is not a sect but a cult - an abusive, mind-control cult, Scientology in Geneva gowns.
