“According to Schleiermacher, the decree of redemption already means that human beings are agreeable to God in his Son; an individual act of justification in time is not first needed in each individual person. It is only necessary that each individual person become aware that in God’s decree of redemption in Christ he is already justified and made agreeable to God.”
Hoenecke, Dogmatics, III, p. 339. Hat-tip to Joseph Schmidt.
"Objectively speaking, without any reference to an individual sinner's attitude toward Christ's sacrifice, purely on the basis of God's verdict, every sinner, whether he knows about it or not, whether he believes it or not, has received the status of a saint. What will be his reaction when he is informed about this turn of events? Will he accept, or will he decline?"
J. P. Meyer, Ministers of Christ, A Commentary on the Second Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, Milwaukee: Northwestern Publishing House, 1963, p. 103f. 2 Corinthians 5:18-21.
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GJ - Please tell me - how is Schleiermacher's opinion different from J. P. Meyer's, which is the basis for the first Kokomo Statement?
There are two reasons why this question will never be answered. One is that most Lutheran pastors have no idea how influential Scheiermacher's theology is. Long before the adulterous Commie Karl Barth, Scheiermacher offered the world faith without belief - or - mainline theology. The Roman Catholics and Protestants, including all the American Lutheran synods, are mainline Schleiermachians.
ELCA Gospel Reductionism is Syn Conference UOJism. That is why they are all in bed together and loving it.
Reason Two - UOJ is the only WELS opinion that is beyond debate, beyond discussion, beyond "Don't even think about it!"
Notice how Schwaermer all the UOJ logic is among the Intrepid Lutherans (sic). Manthey said in shocked tones of condemnation that IL did not agree with the synod! Within hours Rydecki was condemning with scorn the very things he had just published.
ELCA is just as nasty with the mind control. For those who care to look, the ALPB Forum makes it clear that anyone disagreeing with the latest ELCA opinion on sodomy deserves to be kicked out.
Do not expect SP Schroeder to do much more than re-arrange the furniture at The Guilt Factory. UOJ is WELS. No one can support UOJ and do anything about Receptionism, Enthusiasm, or the latest belches and flatulence from the Church Growth Movement. Ditto ELS and LCMS.
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I'm not sure what the relationship was between George Christian Knapp and Schleiermacher. I would imagine there is some kind of connection since they were both at Halle, but the extent of that connection and how strong it was I cannot tell.
Pr. GJ,
That quote from Schleiermacher is downright UOJ.
LPC
Hi Lito,
That wasn't a quote directly from Schleiermacher. It was Adolf Hoenecke's discussion on the former's doctrine of justification. Schleiermacher's view, according to Hoenecke, struck me as something quite in line with what I've read from UOJ advocates (i.e., universal forgiveness and people only needing to believe it).
Unfortunately Hoenecke doesn't cite any references to allow for further research.
Hi Joseph,
Hoenecke's claim of citing Schleiermacher for his authority then adds more suspicion on this UOJ theory of Justification.
Schleiermacher does not have a good reputation for being orthodox anyway.
LPC
Hoenecke, Schleiermacher, Knapp - all are from Halle University, created to teach Pietism.
Schleiermacher was far more of an OJ theologian than an OJ/SJ theologian.
Tholuck, who taught Hoenecke at Halle, was a confessed Universalist.
When justification by faith is distorted into OJ and SJ, it only takes a generation to teach the fourth sola - Sola OJ. WELS has already done that.
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