This bus don't carry no Lutherans, this bus.
This bus don't carry no Lutherans, this bus.
This bus don't carry no Lutherans,
Means of Grace, nor closed communers,
This bus is Jeske's glory, this bus.
This bus just carries some liars, this bus;
This bus just carries some liars, this bus;
This bus just carries some liars,
She's streamlined for crick-jumpin' flyers,
This bus just caries some liars, this bus.
This bus just carries some con men, this bus;
This bus just caries some con men, this bus;
This bus just carries some con men,
WELS wheeler dealers, here and gone men,
This bus just carries some con men, this bus.
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There is a God has left a new comment on your post "An Update « Light from Light.Ichabod Not Invited o...":
Is the "spirit" of CORE et al, that of modern sects or of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of the unaltered Augsburg Confession:
"Only those things have been recounted whereof we thought that it was necessary to speak, in order that it might be understood that in doctrine and ceremonies nothing has been received on our part against Scripture or the Church Catholic" - AC, Conclusion.
"...among us, in large part, the ancient rites are diligently observed. For it is a false and malicious charge that all the ceremonies, all the things instituted of old, are abolished in our churches" - AC 21.
"But it can readily be judged that nothing would serve better to maintain the dignity of ceremonies, and to nourish reverence and pious devotion among the people than if the ceremonies were observed rightly in the churches" - AC, Articles in which are reviewed the abuses which have been corrected.
"Falsely are our churches accused of abolishing the Mass; the Mass is retained among us, and celebrated with the highest reverence. Nearly all the usual ceremonies are also preserved,..." - AC 24.
And that's just the Augsburg Confession.
I tell you, kind reader, when it comes to worship, CORE, et al, do not breathe the spirit of the Augsburg Confession, the standard of Lutheran doctrine and practice, but the spirit of the modern sects.
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There is a God has left a new comment on your post "An Update « Light from Light.Ichabod Not Invited o...":
Re worship forms, I wish the WELS District Presidents would speak like Walther did:
"In your letter you ask for my opinion on whether it is advisable to introduce the singing of Methodist songs in a Lutheran Sunday School. May what follows serve as a helpful reply to your questions: No, this is not advisable, rather very incorrect and pernicious" - C. F. W. Walther, “Methodist Hymns in a Lutheran Sunday School” [1883], in Matthew C. Harrison, At Home in the House of My Fathers [Lutheran Legacy, 2010], pp. 331-32. [GJ - Are you calling Groeschel a Methodist?]
WELS church lady has left a new comment on your post "An Update « Light from Light.Ichabod Not Invited o...":
All united in doctrine and practice??? Doctrine-preaching from Groechel and New Agers such as Sweet. Practice-Struttin' around the altar in jeans and attending apostate megachurch conferences such as Drive and Exponential.(oops, not fair, Exponential was attended by pastors from a different WELS district, but you get the point...)
United in doctrine and practice! A BIG LIE! How did Engelbrecht stray so far off of the path? Where on the path was he in the 1960's and 70's?
In Christ,
from WELS church lady
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There is a God has left a new comment on your post "An Update « Light from Light.Ichabod Not Invited o...":
"...as we continue to hold and to restore our wonderful divine services in places where they have been forgotten, let us boldly confess that our worship forms do not tie us with the modern sects or with the church of Rome; rather, they join us to the one, holy Christian Church that is as old as the world and is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets." - C. F. W. Walther, Der Lutheraner, Vol. 9, No. 24 [July 19, 1853], p. 163
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There is a God has left a new comment on your post "Ve Tried It Long Ago - Und It Schtinks":
Also, put the bold text under "An Update « Light from Light. Ichabod Not Invited or CCed"
"Whenever the divine service once again follows the old Evangelical-Lutheran agendas (or church books), it seems that many raise a great cry that it is “Roman Catholic”: “Roman Catholic” when the pastor chants “The Lord be with you” and the congregation responds by chanting “and with thy spirit”; “Roman Catholic” when the pastor chants the collect and the blessing and the people respond with a chanted “Amen.”
Even the simplest Christian can respond to this outcry: “Prove to me that this chanting is contrary to the Word of God, then I too will call it ‘Roman Catholic’ and have nothing more to do with it. However, you cannot prove this to me.” If you insist upon calling every element in the divine service “Romish” that has been used by the Roman Catholic Church, it must follow that the reading of the Epistle and Gospel is also “Romish.” Indeed, it is mischief to sing or preach in church, for the Roman Church has done this also...
Those who cry out should remember that the Roman Catholic Church possesses every beautiful song of the old orthodox church. The chants and antiphons and responses were brought into the church long before the false teachings of Rome crept in. This Christian Church since the beginning, even in the Old Testament, has derived great joy from chanting... For more than 1700 years orthodox Christians have participated joyfully in the divine service. Should we, today, carry on by saying that such joyful participation is “Roman Catholic”? God forbid!
Therefore, as we continue to hold and to restore our wonderful divine services in places where they have been forgotten, let us boldly confess that our worship forms do not tie us with the modern sects or with the church of Rome; rather, they join us to the one, holy Christian Church that is as old as the world and is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. (C. F. W. Walther, Der Lutheraner, Vol. 9, No. 24 [July 19, 1853], p. 163)
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There is a God has left a new comment on your post "An Update « Light from Light.Ichabod Not Invited o...":
"...as we continue to hold and to restore our wonderful divine services in places where they have been forgotten, let us boldly confess that our worship forms do not tie us with the modern sects or with the church of Rome; rather, they join us to the one, holy Christian Church that is as old as the world and is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets." - C. F. W. Walther, Der Lutheraner, Vol. 9, No. 24 [July 19, 1853], p. 163
There is a God has left a new comment on your post "An Update « Light from Light.Ichabod Not Invited o...":
Wha?:
"...while there may be some differences among us regarding our approaches to ministry, we are all united in doctrine and practice."
"Approaches to ministry" is doctrine in practice. If the "approaches to ministry" are radically different from those of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of the unaltered Augsburg Confession, then there is no unity in practice (and doctrine).
