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A friend of mine is a recovering Roman Catholic. On an unrelated topic, the city of Appleton came into the discussion. Seizing the moment, I quipped, "oh, Appleton, the armpit of the Wisconsin Synod."
I then explained how so many of the real and relevant WELS pastors go through that area.
His response was, "being relevant did not work for the Roman Catholic church back in the 1960's, so why should it work for anyone now?". What does a fallen away Roman Catholic understand that so many others do not?
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Harrison gives six minute tour of CHI museum in the IC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cQ3lznedQ&feature=player_embedded
Vatican II amuses me, because Lutherans are all too eager to copy the papists innovations in that regard. Oh, but following the historic, liturgical, and ceremonial tradition of the "small c" catholic Church - that's far too Roman. The hypocrisy would be hilarious if it wasn't so dumbfounding.
Not like zee gut old days on the zee anti-aircraft battery, shooting at zee Allied planes as za bombted der Vaterland....
Ach, dat is all in zee past....
New Reformed book where they follow the NIV's "making disciples":
The Gospel Commission: Recovering God's Strategy for Making Disciples
http://kimriddlebarger.squarespace.com/the-latest-post/2011/3/3/from-the-man-who-never-sleeps-another-new-book-from-mike-hor.html
Daniel, your insight is, well, insightful! ;-)
Can someone provide a link to a video of your ideal of what a Lutheran divine service should look like today?
Also, put the bold text under "An Update « Light from Light. Ichabod Not Invited or CCed"
"Whenever the divine service once again follows the old Evangelical-Lutheran agendas (or church books), it seems that many raise a great cry that it is “Roman Catholic”: “Roman Catholic” when the pastor chants “The Lord be with you” and the congregation responds by chanting “and with thy spirit”; “Roman Catholic” when the pastor chants the collect and the blessing and the people respond with a chanted “Amen.”
Even the simplest Christian can respond to this outcry: “Prove to me that this chanting is contrary to the Word of God, then I too will call it ‘Roman Catholic’ and have nothing more to do with it. However, you cannot prove this to me.” If you insist upon calling every element in the divine service “Romish” that has been used by the Roman Catholic Church, it must follow that the reading of the Epistle and Gospel is also “Romish.” Indeed, it is mischief to sing or preach in church, for the Roman Church has done this also...
Those who cry out should remember that the Roman Catholic Church possesses every beautiful song of the old orthodox church. The chants and antiphons and responses were brought into the church long before the false teachings of Rome crept in. This Christian Church since the beginning, even in the Old Testament, has derived great joy from chanting... For more than 1700 years orthodox Christians have participated joyfully in the divine service. Should we, today, carry on by saying that such joyful participation is “Roman Catholic”? God forbid!
Therefore, as we continue to hold and to restore our wonderful divine services in places where they have been forgotten, let us boldly confess that our worship forms do not tie us with the modern sects or with the church of Rome; rather, they join us to the one, holy Christian Church that is as old as the world and is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. (C. F. W. Walther, Der Lutheraner, Vol. 9, No. 24 [July 19, 1853], p. 163)
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