Thursday, October 13, 2011

Lito Cruz, PhD, on the Jay Webber Defense of UOJ



LPC has left a new comment on your post "Lindee Undercuts the Jay Webber Gambit: UOJ Is Ind...":

What Pr. Jay Webber did in quoting Rambach is so asinine.

1. It is clear UOJers argue by authority and not by Scripture exegesis nor by the Confessions.
2. For goodness sake, why bring to your aid, the quotation of an authority whose authority is dubious and whose reputation is questionable? This is so pathetic and disperate in trying to prop up a sinking boat -which over here in Aus would be called HMS - UOJ.

LPC

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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Pietists Turn to 1 Timothy 3:16, But Lenski Is an ...":

Clearly UOJers are betting their farm on one verse which they imagine teaches UOJ and that is Rom 4:25. It seems that the Lutheran Pietism's exegesis of this can be traced back starting from Walther back to the Halle Pietists.

I remember Brett and I crossed sword with Kilcrease on this in 2010. Kilcrease should wake up to the data presented in this blog because that Pietist connection is the one he wished to deny yet, UOJ's Pietist connections are becoming as clear as day each time UOJers speak.

LPC
PS. I believe Pr. Rydecki is seing the light and the UOJ issues are now very clear to him. Praise the Lord for this.

3 comments:

bored said...

LPC, we had argument in the past about politics and I dare say, the conversation was not too cool, and not the purpose of this blog. I'm sorry for any rudeness...and I'll make good on that apology by saying that you're right on the money with your comment about Romans 4:25. Why the heck do these people think they can read one verse in isolation and change the entire message of the Bible?

LPC said...

Bored,

No worries, we are all good.

The amazing thing is that it is only the synodicals that interpret Rom 4:25 as the justification of the world.

This is really where the UOJers are unique and peculiar. An NT scholar considered by evangelicals to be conservative Lutheran from Germany is P. Stuhlmacher, yet his commentary on the verse has no suggestion that it is the justification of the world.

There is no such thing as a justified unbeliever.

LPC

bored said...

You know another thing? It's really astounding that people I talk to--all unrelated and unaware of each other--exhibit the same academic and spiritual dishonesty. I mention that they oughta read Romans 4:25 (or any other proof passage) in its context to understand it. They never do, all the while insisting they are right. When I insist good exegetical practices they break out the 8th commandment.

But the reverse is true too. When someone does eventually do the basic study their understanding of True Justification is often instantaneous.