Tuesday, June 28, 2011

Kelm, Bored and C. S. Lewis

Kelm was the sharp end of the spear, like Ziva, for Enthusiasm in WELS. As Mischke said of Kelm, any denomination would be glad to have him. No doubt they would have recognized their publications!


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Lewis may have his faults, but I think that he, more than any other modern practitioner of Apologetics, would pale at the current use of reason to sucker people into church.

Kelm uses human reason to sanction rock 'n roll and popcorn populism. Kelm seeks to employ statistics, psychology, and Progressive strategies to supplant the Holy Spirit.

Lewis, on the other hand, furiously rejected such emblems of post-modernism, and is quite famous
for 'looking backwards' for enlightenment instead of looking forward, as Kelm does. Lewis had very useful insights into the evils of the humanist Zeitgeist of the 20th century. Kelm embraces those evils. Lewis may not have understood or believed the concept that God only deals with man through the Word and Sacrament, but Kelm scorns the notion. Lewis may have had some very important things wrong, but he knelt for the saints of Christendom. Kelm shrugs and thinks he can do better.

I've read Lewis and found Enthusiasm, but Lewis was quick to admit that he was a scholar first and no sort of theologian. Kelm is poor theologian and no sort of scholar whatsoever. Mister Kelm, please do not attempt to justify your teachings by invoking the names of your betters. You only embarrass yourself and make me wish that there was some court in which to sue you for academic fraud--taking my money to teach such crappy college classes.


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GJ - I never quote Lewis, but he deserves his due. I have many questions about his theology, including his adoption of the anonymous Christian myth (Rahner). However, I do not like indulging in the Syn Conference habit of condemning anyone not in my synod. (I have Luther, Melanchthon, Chemnitz, Gerhard, and Calov, but few others to quote. Somehow they are enough.)

Hurling anathemas can be a substitute for reading more widely. I like Josh McDowell's Evidence as a collection of data, but his main theme is consistently wrong. That is why suggesting Lewis and McDowell is a bad idea for Lutherans, but ideal for Kelm's crowd.

The NPH apologetics book is Kelmier than Kelm, not Lutheran at all.

In deference to Church Mouse and Dr. Cruz, I now resist calling all Protestants "Reformed," because that is a precise term for Calvinists, who do not like Arminian theology at all. One of the Missouri men, perhaps others, used Reformed for all Protestants, so I followed that trend until lately.

One librarian took me to task for not categorizing Protestants the way he cataloged his books. He joined the Church of Rome.

One must also properly distinguish between Arminian (Decision Theology) and Armenian (Kardashian).

All the Reformation theologians began with Luther and knew his work quite well. The author of Pilgrim's Progress, Bunyan, was far more Lutheran than most Lutheran leaders today. Luther's Galatians was his favorite book, next to the Bible.

My efforts are to get people to appreciate the great Lutheran authors and a good translation of the Bible.

Scott Jungen on the Upper Management
Origin of False Doctrine



Valleskey is worse than Knapp, because Valleskey expresses Universalism in the clearest possible terms.


Scott E. Jungen said... 
 
How true! When was the last time a congregation went to their pastor and said: "Hey, pastor, please teach us this (name one) false doctrine." Scott E. Jungen

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GJ - I remember a kindly WELS pastor saying to me, "Church Growth is the first fad that has come from the top down." DP Seifert pushed him out of the ministry, but Seifert specializes in undercutting pastors.

I studied the origins of CG in all the denominations and saw how carefully Fuller Seminary marketed it to each particular group - the answer to their woes. The leaders all looked into the Palintir of statistics, which showed them enough to terrify them.

The all-seeing statisticians said, "Your denomination will shrink rapidly due to a number of factors. Our sample is so large that we cannot be wrong."

The leaders ran around with their hair on fire, "What shall we do?" Fuller Seminary said, "We have the answer, but it will take a boatload of money and training for all your people."

The wolves lined up like sheep for the slaughter, their lupine brains thoroughly washed, rinsed, and washed again. The top wolves had their middle management wolves trained. The middle management wolves got their underlings trained.

Soon the ambitious saw an easy DMin from Fuller as the ticket for advancement in each sect, yea, even the Roman Catholic Church. They looked in wonder as generic, non-confessional sects grew by attracting generic, non-confessional members of other congregations.

The Shrinkers first got one another established, at denominational expense, in positions of authority. Next they began driving out anyone who questioned their wisdom.

The foundation of Church Shrinkage was lack of faith in God's Word. The denominational leaders were easily terrified because they were entirely pragmatic and materialistic.

UOJ was goose grease under their feet. Knowing the efficacy of the Word would have made them laugh out loud at CG presentations. Instead, they said, "Tell us more. How much will this cost?"

LutherQueasies, As Seen by Bored



bored has left a new comment on your post "Do Not Question an Ankle-Biter":

Wow. I checked out Lutherquest for the first time because of this post.

What a load of pompous asses! The conversation is so over the top. Everybody's trying to outdo everyone else. The spirit reminds me of something...hmm...

If they insulted each other with more class I might conjure up the Roman senate. But, if they insulted each other with less class--cussing and so forth-- I would be reminded of a hip hop battle.

Without sinking to that level I'm not sure what to say!

Ye shall know them by their fruits, I guess.

The Addams Walther Family. Click, click:
Kidnap, Obstructing Justice, Willful Resistance, Armed Robbery, Fraud, Plus Another Kidnapping


CFW and his brother, O. H.--both pastors--kidnapped their niece and nephew from the parsonage of their father.

CFW's attorneys, Marbach and Vehse, cooperated by hiding the children from the police, so they were guilty of obstruction of justice, a felony.

CFW's future mother-in-law hid the children from the police, another felony.

Fleeing an arrest is called willful resistance, which is also a crime. Walther left on the first ship out rather than the Amalia, because arrest warrants were already issued to grab him as soon as possible.

The Amalia sank on the trip to New Orleans, with all lives lost, a fact hailed as a miracle of God's providence by the Missouri historians, since Walther's life was spared.

Soon after arriving in America, Walther violated the seal of the confessional, using craft and deceit to organize a mob, rob, threaten, and kidnap Martin Stephan. Once again he used his future mother-in-law, Buenger, to help carry out his crimes in secret.

Let us reclaim the real Walther.

Bored Responds to Schumacher



bored has left a new comment on your post "LutherQuest Denizen Has a Question about UOJ and L...":

Mr. Schumacher, please leave the passive aggressive tone by the side of the road. If you want to suggest that Luther supports UOJ, then say it in a way befitting a man and be ready to argue with fact and logically cogent sentences.

You wrote:

"You teach that the faith necessary for forgiveness is a trusting in the promise of God that He will forgive, for the sake of Christ’s atoning work, when we come to faith."


Not in least. The faith prescribed in the New Testament is not this complicated doubled-back loop-d'-loop dervish that theologians want to make it. Scripture does not tell us that we need to "have faith in the future realization of forgiveness that God states that he promises to bestow upon those who do not reject the truth, namely those who believe in blah blah" etc.. Satan, I suspect, spends more time squaring off on the shoulders of theologians than anywhere else, and with great glee leads them to over-complicate the message. It is not some hocus pocus formula.

What Scripture teaches is simple. Believe that Jesus Christ is the perfect and complete substitute for every man's sin-infested hide--and His righteousness is substituted for any man's wretchedness when the Holy Spirit works faith in that man's heart. Every believer should take comfort (not license) in knowing that, though he will certainly sin daily until he dies, God sees Christ, (complete righteousness) in the Faithful man and does not hold his sins against him. If a man regularly receives the blessings God has prepared for his Faithful, The Word and Sacrament, the Holy Spirit will arm him with the wisdom and strength to do what he is free in Christ to do: sin less. (But in this, the Holy Spirit is the actor.)


Of course, the simple message of Scripture all falls to pieces when you start teaching that God forgave everybody apart from the influence of the Holy Spirit and the Word. Mr. Schumacher, I hope you consider leaving the theologians aside for awhile and just read the Word without any lens to filter it. Then I will be curious to know if you think that God declares all people righteous irrespective of faith.

Luther Rocks - All Heresies Begin in the Church




Monday, June 27, 2011


"All Heresies Begin In the Church"

Is that not a profound statement?  I had heard this quite recently from a 'seasoned' Lutheran pastor.  It took awhile to sink in.  But when you think about it, where else would a false teaching take root?


"If I understand all of your recent emails correctly, you wish to remain members of Holy Word only if you can convince us of the errors of our ways in regard to my preaching that "we were forgiven by God in Christ before we believed that we are forgiven." - Pr. Don Patterson

"But you have to understand that forgiveness, reconciliation, justification, atonement - all describe the amazing grace of God given for this whole world irrespective our faith or repsonse. (sic) God loves us all and forgives us all long before we do anything at all -" - Pr. Don Patterson


The last Word...


John 16:5-15:  "5 “Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ 6 Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. 7 But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt[a] in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; 10 in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11 and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.


   12 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you."


Scott E. Jungen said...
How true! When was the last time a congregation went to their pastor and said: "Hey, pastor, please teach us this (name one) false doctrine." Scott E. Jungen
LutherRocks said...
What is so profound about the John 16 text is that God did the same with the prophets of the OT as He is here with the Apostles...go and preach my message of sin, righteousness and judgement and the message of the Savior...

WELS, Missouri, and the Little Sect on the Prairie Are Flogging People into the LCMC and the NALC


Oh! Oh! I just thought up a new Church Growth principle. The Syn Conference has been busy driving faithful Lutherans away from them while training the remainder in Enthusiasm.

ELCA has fallen apart. The cause? It is the typical result of Pietism's love and doctrinal indifference turning into rancid political activism. The beneficiaries should be the Little Sect or the Missouri Synod (ELCA's partner for decades) and the Wisconsin Sect.

One must be geographically blessed to be near an ELS parish, because they barely exist as a percentage of all Lutherans in America.

Half of the Wisconsin Sect members live in that state, with 25% in Minnesota and another 25% in Michigan. All the rest are scattered across the remaining 47 states, like nutmeg in a large tureen of egg nog, specks.

Most of Missouri is within 300 miles of St. Louis.

Doctrinal Proximity
Doctrinally, the Little Three are close to the old LCA. They have open communion and Don't Ask Don't Tell communion. DADT communion means not having a notice in the bulletin about closed communion and not blocking the guy in the turban who comes forward.

As I pointed out before, the old LCA may have stated they had open communion but I never saw it in practice. People communed in their own parish, even when they were LCA.

The LCA and ALC instituted women's ordination after old Franklin C. Fry died. He would not even discuss the topic. His granddaughter was ordained. The Little Three have begun women pastors without the obstruction of voting on it first. SPindoktor Mark Schroeder has already done more for women's ordination than Gurgle ever attempted.

Doctrinal Disagreement
Universalism
ELCA has the most in common with the Little Three in its Gospel Reductionism--Everyone is forgiven and saved--another version of Universal Objective Justification.

In ELCA and the Little Three, forgiveness is ladled out rather sloppily. There is no mercy for anyone who disagrees with Whorely Mother Synod. But, if a synodical buddy is caught in felonies, abuse of members, or good old fashioned Sodomy, grace is abundant and cheap.

That is where ELCA members will catch the scent of UOJ bullies and flee in another direction.

Biblical Indifference
The ELCA radicals do whatever they want with the meaning of the Bible. The Little Three have done the same with the new translations they are promoting. The New NIV is a disgrace, and WELS loves it. Missouri's ESV is definitely second best or perhaps second worst.

The so-called Biblical Lutherans are allergic to anything King James, although they used to promote it as the only one, the one closest to Luther's German Bible. Tyndale worked with Luther and Luther's circle, dying for his efforts. The King James is a modest revision of the Tyndale. WELS combines Biblical indifference with heavy-handedness, willing to excommunicate over a translation while saying, "Let's not be legalistic!"

LCMC and NALC Attract the Syn Conference Refugees
ELCA Bishop Mark Hanson has already started 1000 new missions for the LCMC and the NALC. These 1,000 congregations seem to be among the largest in ELCA. Others are not actually leaving in a legal sense but escaping via their budget and loyalties.

There is no reason why a WELS, Missouri, or ELS member would feel uncomfortable in the doctrine and practice of an LCMC or NALC congregation, from what I can determine.

Both new groups will fuss over ELCA's apostasy for some time, but they do not have the baggage, resentments, and blood-feuds of the Little Three. Moreover, there is an excitement about the Scriptures, doctrine, and the Book of Concord that is mostly lacking in the Little Three.

The Little Three are going to empty out in concert with ELCA, for the same reasons - too much in common, too many bad associations, too much bullying.

Warnings, Catcalls, Drive Up Readership,
But Where Is the Historical Grasp of These Enthusiasts?


Thanks to the Ankle-Biters
LutherQueasy is on another round of free associating, set off--much like a turkey farm--by Clyde Nehrenz asking Captain Queeg to behave himself. The Queeg tantrums have become the talk of the Net.

I appreciate all the extra business. More people than ever before read Ichabod and check out our worship service. The page-reads this morning were higher than the 24 hour totals a few months ago. The statistics mean nothing, of course, which is why Queeg fulminates about why they mean so little.

History
Some say that America differs from Europe in our utter lack of historical perspective. For Europeans, Harvard is a new university, not to be compared to some that are nine centuries old.

Historical facts should matter, at least as much as DNA. The only history questions in the Syn Conferences are: "Do you know who my father was?" and "Do you know who my grandfather was?"

I was looking for the history of Grace (WELS) in Milwaukee and found nothing about Gausewitz, who was head of the entire Synodical Conference and the author of a famous catechism. First VP Huebner provided his own hagiography, which I assume he wrote himself.

Gausewitz himself was praised and consigned to the sub-basement archives, so they could roll out the expensive and dreadful Kuske catechism. I did not have Kuske in class, but his students tell me he was awful as a teacher. But Kuske was useful for swinging the sect to UOJ and promoting cell groups.

Likewise, the felonious history of the Missouri Synod is blanketed by a fog of self-congratulations and outright deceit. Two Lutheran pastors (CFW Walther and his brother) kidnapped their niece and nephew from their father's parsonage, because the minor children wanted to go to America. Of course, we do not the truth of that claim. The excuse is something shopped around at Concordia Seminary, St. Louis, back in the 1970s.

Everyone with a slight grasp of LCMS history knows that Bishop Stephan was a womanizer. Few realize that he was already busy with the same woman (Louise) in Europe and under house arrest for his illicit behavior.

The founders of the Missouri Synod organized a mob, stole the life savings of their bishop, the equivalent of armed robbery, and kidnapped him, forcibly removing him across the river. They threatened his life to get him out of the house--another felony--which may have caused his battle with lung disease for the next year, since he camped in a tent near the river.

Stephan was definitely guilty of adultery, already in Europe, but no one seemed to notice or care. Modern examples of the same deliberate clergy blindness can be found in WELS, Missouri, the Little Sect, and the CLC (sic). Known adulterous pastors and their enablers are leaders in their synods today.

In fact, their Sugar Daddy, Marvin Schwan, was known for the same, marrying the wife of his manager, causing the break-up of two marriages at once. But--the indulgence promptly paid--the conservative clergy praised St. Marvin into heaven while he was still alive and explained, before anyone asked, that he had a "Scriptural divorce." I heard that term so often that I asked, "Is that like Scriptural murder"?

Monday, June 27, 2011

LutherQuest Denizen Has a Question about UOJ and Luther






Dave Schumacher has left a new comment on your post "Know Nothings and the Anti-Intellectualism of the ...":

Hello Dr. Jackson,
Although I have not read everything you have written concerning UOJ, I have read enough to understand, I think, your basic premise; please correct me if I am wrong.

You say that Christ has paid the price for all the sins of the entire world, this you call the atonement. You teach that this atonement is not the same as forgiveness, or justification, and that in order to be forgiven a person must have faith. Then, and only then, is a person justified and forgiven. You teach that the faith necessary for forgiveness is a trusting in the promise of God that He will forgive, for the sake of Christ’s atoning work, when we come to faith. You further teach that we may only come by this faith through the means (Word and Sacrament) which God has promised and provided. In short, you teach that God did not pronounce the sins of the entire world forgiven when He promised His Son to Adam and Eve in the Garden.

You teach that the concept of Universal Objective Justification, and it’s  (sic) companion, Subjective Justification, grew out of Pietism and was further developed and promulgated by C.F.W. Walther and the Synodical Conference. I have read many times where you have enlisted the words of Martin Luther in providing support for both your theological premise and your historical premise regarding the origin and development of UOJ.

So that I might have a clearer, more precise, understanding of your teaching, I would be very interested in your explanation of these words of the Reformer.

“….Now the Law comes and says: “I find Him a sinner, who takes upon Himself the sins of all men. I do not see any other sins than those in Him. Therefore let Him die on the cross!” And so it attacks Him and kills Him. By this deed the whole world is purged and expiated from all sins, and thus it is set free from death and from every evil. ………..
…….Therefore the argument that Paul presents here is the most powerful and the highest of all against all the righteousness of the flesh; for it contains this invincible and irrefutable antithesis: If the sins of the entire world are on that one man, Jesus Christ, then they are not on the world. But if they are not on Him, then they are still on the world. Again, if Christ Himself is made guilty of all the sins that we have all committed, then we are absolved from all sins, not through ourselves or through our own works or merits but through Him. But if He is innocent and does not carry our sins, then we carry them and shall die and be damned in them. “But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.” (1 Cor. 15:57.)” – Martin Luther (Lectures on Galatians [1535], Luther’s Works, Vol. 26, pp. 276-77, 279-81)

Please accept my sincere thanks in advance for your reply.

Dave Schumacher

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GJ - The Word of God teaches, the Book of Concord confesses, and I agree with both about justification by faith.

Dave's question, which is really a prelude to his argument, misses most of the basics of the Christian faith. The atonement, expiation, propiation, and redemption (to use various synonyms) all teach that Christ died for the sins of the world. The UOJ Enthusiasts, following the Pietism of Walther and Knapp, bypass the efficacy of the Word in the Means of Grace.

The atonement is not the same as justification. The Calvinists, according to my expert, Dr. Lito Cruz, confuse and merge the two - atonement and justification.

Dave should do some research on his own narrow field of UOJ experts. They have conceded that justification in the New Testament only means justification by faith. Moreover, they have not found UOJ in the Book of Concord. That is why the LQ fanatics quote the St. Louis gang, including the one who left for Rome, because UOJ came in late via Pietism.

The efficacious Word plants faith in a baby's heart through the work of the Spirit in Holy Baptism. Likewise, an adult is converted by the Word of God. In both cases, the faith created by the Word receives the work Christ has accomplished for us. The Book of Concord, following Luther, teaches that believing and forgiveness of sin go together.

Dave has quoted a selection from Luther that he imagines will back up his UOJ Pietism. LQ tried that many times from the Book of Concord. Luther expressed the totality of the atonement in this selection, and I have to emphasize the word selection. LQ would quote a Book of Concord atonement passage and say, "Aha! OJ!" I would look it up and copy the adjacent, yes the adjacent sentences that spoke of justification by faith alone.

I have read thousands of pages of Luther, and nowhere do I find him suddenly abandoning justification by faith in favor of justification without faith.

What Dave does here is really quite evil. He has his UOJ blinders. He and his buddies share their favorite imaginary UOJ quotations. They have a little pile of them, 90% from the golden years of The Kidnapper and his Chosen Disciple (F. Pieper). The other 10% come from a careful excision of material from Luther, Chemnitz, and Aunt Sadie. Dave would like all of us to read the Bible, Luther, and the Book of Concord from the assumption that this quotation is the Pearl of Great Price for Lutheran doctrine.

I could use Luther's Magnificat commentary the same way. Luther prayed to Mary in that little book. Therefore, all passages of the Bible may be read from that viewpoint. There are some Marian passages in the Book of Concord too, such as the Perpetual Virginity of Mary - right out of the Middle Ages, including the claim that Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Christ. That is the problem when someone creates a sect out of one quotation, and Catholics today use those tidbits to entice Lutherans into "returning to Rome."

However, the Bible is the ruling norm, the judge of all books. The Book of Concord is faithfully witnesses to those truths. No one at LQ wants to deal with the Formula of Concord article on "The Righteousness of Faith." The Enthusiasts love their righteousness without faith.

When Walther kidnapped two minor children from his father's parsonage, was he already forgiven?

Was this LCMS pastor already forgiven, before he was arrested?

Should we sin more, that grace may abound?

I suggest reading the doctrinal graphics I have provided. They completely refute the bogus ideas Dave is trying to promote.


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raklatt (http://raklatt.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "LutherQuest Denizen Has a Question about UOJ and L...":

Let us turn one more page, to page 282:

"To the extent that Christ rules by His grace in the hearts of the faithful, there is no sin or death or curse. But where Christ is not known, there these things remain. And so all who do not believe lack this blessing and this victory. “For this,” as John says, “is our victory, faith” (1 John 5:4).

"This is the chief doctrine of the Christian faith. The sophists have completely obliterated it, and today the fanatics are obscuring it once more."

Luther, M. (1999, c1963). Vol. 26: Luther's works, vol. 26 : Lectures on Galatians, 1535, Chapters 1-4 (J. J. Pelikan, H. C. Oswald & H. T. Lehmann, Ed.). Luther's Works (26:282). Saint Louis: Concordia Publishing House.

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GJ - Thank you, Ray. The trouble is, the LQ denizens will stare at Luther's words and find nothing amiss in their confused and confusing opinions.

Pietism's Saxon Migration Began with Kidnapping Three People, Violating the Confessional, Leading a Riot, And Robbery


In Pursuit of Religious Freedom should be read by all Syn Conference members and pastors. The books well written, balanced, and analytical.

I will write more about their Pietism later, but Stephan was trained at Halle University and closely associated with Zinzendorf and Pietistic groups. So were Walther and the others.

Stephan was obviously engaged in adultery before he left with the Perry County group. The police were investigating him and he was under house arrest. His wife testified that he kept company with another woman, refusing efforts to repair the marriage. Although Stephan's descendants put together this material, they are fair with the facts, no sparing anyone.

Stephan installed a girl in his house and brought her back when his long-suffering wife kicked her out. Other matters were brought up in court. Stephan left for America with his oldest son and left the rest of his family in Dresden. The court released him just before his departure. The whole community knew about the accusations, so the clergy involved were already his enablers.

CFW Walther and his brother kidnapped their niece and nephew from the parsonage of their ailing father. The attorneys Marbach and Vehse helped in hiding the children and delaying justice. Walther left as a wanted criminal.

One Missouri pastor said the kidnapping was passed off as what the children wanted, but that does not give Walther a license for breaking the law, evading the police, and involving others in deceit and deception. The children did not sail with him but on a later ship.

The Perry Count group began with two disgraceful actions against them before they landed in America.

Soon more developed. When two women confessed to adultery with Stephan, after a particular pointed Rogate sermon in St. Louis, the pastor did not keep this confidence. The seal of the confessional should not be violated, because turning it into a channel for gossip destroys the Sacrament of confession and absolution, one of the Means of Grace.

The pastor told CFW Walther, who began plotting against Stephan. The details are in the book. Walther organized a mob to attack Stephan instead the clergy dealing with him directly. The original pastor should have kept his mouth shut and gone to Stephan, but he launched this debacle anyway.

Using all kinds of subterfuge, Walther led the mob of 300 (supporters only) in attacking Stephan's home. Stephan was stripped of his clothing to rob him of all his money, deposed as bishop, threatened with his life, and deprived of the property given him. OJ Simpson is sitting in prison now because he did far less with force in "trying to get his stuff back."

Detaining and robbing a person by force is a major crime. So is kicking him out of his home and forcing him across the river, perhaps at gunpoint. Later, Walther tricked Stephan's son out of the 80 acres of land that the bishop bought with his own money.

Stephan continued to work as a pastor in Illinois. His son and descendants served in the LCMS, one speaking on The Lutheran Hour.

Like all guilty bullies, Walther worked against the victim, portraying himself as a saint when he really belonged in prison ministry, as a jailbird.

There is no question that Stephan deserved to be deposed - before they even left. And Walther should have faced the justice system, instead of escaping to America.

After waiting for a choice moment, Walther and the others should have proceeded fairly and Scripturally. Walther laid the foundation for tyranny based on double-justification from Halle's Georg Knapp.

Buy this book here.

Know Nothings and the Anti-Intellectualism of the Syn Conference


My history teacher thought the Know Nothing Party in America had a lot of influence on politics. Nobody runs for president as a PhD. How many have? I am sure few know that answer. I count three - Woodrow Wilson, Newt Gingrich, and George McGovern.

Lutherans once had a high regard for education. They have replaced that with a high regard for conformity and mediocrity. Chemnitz had to earn a doctorate to be a bishop (DP) even though he was one of the most learned men in Europe. John Moldstad had to finish a college degree after he became professor of New Testament at the Little Schoolhouse on the Prairie. And he wrote a column in their seldom-read magazine. From there he moved to pope, a move carefully arranged by the WELS faction in the ELS. They voted out the First VP so John could be elevated and serve their interests.

The Lutheran MDiv opinionators remind me of Luther's description of Enthusiasts - They do not trust God's Word, but they fill the world with their own words.

And what brilliance! I enjoy seeing the LutherQueasy bottom-feeders returning to their main argument, a logical fallacy, the ad hominem. Naturally they use the straw man fallacy and guilt by association. Someone who asks McCain about his obnoxious, puerile behavior on LQ is somehow working with me, has "jumped into bed"... with me.

They are so anxious to promote forgiveness without faith, but they never defend it. Their readers must be eager to hear some defense for separating grace from the Means of Grace, the Holy Spirit from the Word. Instead, the LutherQueasies engage in dancing around the issues and changing the subject. Do they do any research past their little circle of experts (all disciples of CFW Walther)? No.

The LutherQueasies cannot even face Robert Preus' defense of justification by faith, except to deny his clear statements and orthodox citations.

My theory is this - the doctrinal graphics have had a lot of impact already, showing how their position, their only doctrine, UOJ, is little more than cotton candy for future atheists.

Do Not Question an Ankle-Biter


Clyde Nehrenz:

"Mr. McCain, what is the purpose of your posting this rant on Luther Quest? Do your superiors at the Concordia Publishing House approve of one of their top executives, one who holds probably the most prestigious of all position with the firm, attacking the character of a person so viscously on the internet where it can be accessed potentially by millions of people?

Tell us, Mr. McCain, what did you hope to accomplish by launching this viscous attack?"

McCain: "Nope...still not interesting, Clyde. Still waiting."

Nehrenz:  "Answer the question...if you dare."

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GJ - I imagine Clyde meant "vicious attack" instead of "viscous attack," but McCain is rather thick. Clyde is a layman who does not play LQ games.

McCain has posted the same thing on his own blog and even on a discussion thread for WELS members.

I ran into a long LCMS thread on Facebook about how many people McCain has blocked. Unfriending can mean very little, especially since many people leave their pages and photos open to everyone. However, when someone is blocked, the blocked person cannot see any posts or data from the person blocking. The blocking person no longer shows up as a participant on FB, even with a FB search.

The LCMS participants were baffled and deeply hurt about being blocked by McCain, since they were completely cut off from contact with no reason given. I guess he blocked Todd Wilken, of religious radio fame, too. I have no way of checking this, since McCain friended me, unfriended me, and blocked me.

The thread on McCain's ex-friends made me feel sorry for him. The ALPB group tried to reason with McCain. They gave him a time out and kidded him about it. He came back but not for long. Although McCain is an extreme example, he is typical of Syn Conference politics: Dr. Jekyll with supporters, Mr. Hyde with the opposition. His supporters are dwindling in number. He does have Jack Kilcrease, the WELS pastor's son who graduated from an ELCA seminary and teaches at a Roman Catholic school.

Clergy and laity have learned not to question the synodical leaders, who engage in the same behavior, employing maximum deniability. When The ALC pastor of St. Paul, (Lange) German Village, Ohio, was taking the congregation out of the synod, the ALC leaders asked in letters about the pastor's health. Clearly, anyone wanting to leave The ALC for doctrinal reasons was unstable.

WELS people loved to cite the example of Lange, but they are 100 times worse, especially those who pretend not to know it is going on, condoning and approving it nevertheless.

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Within the hour I have emailed the following message:

Dr. Bruce C. Kintz
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Dear Dr. Kintz: .

At your convenience you might want to look in on the discussion “Ickybog Adventures” at http://www.lutherquest.org/cgi-bin/discus40/discus .cgi.

Do you approve of employees of Concordia Publishing House using the disreputable tactic of character assassination in publicly assailing those whose theology they disagree with?

Since this has been made a public issue by the employee I’m referring to, it would be remiss of me not to share this message with those who are following the discussion. Perhaps you will want to join the discussion yourself.

Sincerely yours,

Clyde Nehrenz

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By the way, Clyde, it strikes me as entirely appropriate that you have now jumped into bed with the purveyor of Ickybog: The Sanity Has Departed.

I think you two so richly deserve one another and I wish you all the best in your new found relationship.

Sunday, June 26, 2011

ELCA Exits Continue - The Bishops' Synod (NALC) Has 250 Congregations Already?


ALPB
First Lutheran Church of Paxton Illinois took its second and final vote today to sever its ties with the ELCA.  The vote was 79-3 with 1 abstention.  It also convened a second meeting to address the council's unanimous recommendation to affiliate with the North American Lutheran Church.  That vote also passed 74-1 with 2 abstentions. [GJ - Augustana College was located in Paxton for a brief period of time, before landing in Rock Island.]

From David B's blog.

1. Zion Lutheran Church, Groveport, OH passed second vote to leave the ELCA, 46-7. Voted to join NALC.
2. First Lutheran Church, Paxton, IL passed second vote to leave the ELCA, 79-3 abstension. Voted to join NALC 74-1.
3. Bethany Lutheran Church, Cushing, MN failed to pass first vote to leave the ELCA, 43 to leave-50 to stay.

May be gone from ELCA:
Our Redeemer Lutheran Church, Brackettville, TX  4/17/2011
Peace Lutheran Church, Linton, ND   5/29/2011
St John's Evangelical Lutheran Church, Stacy, MN   5/1/2011

We are adding to our list of first votes, Grace Lutheran Church, Jackson Center, OH. They voted April 17 to leave the ELCA. Second vote scheduled for August 7. 

Cardinal Sins,
Plus Another Humiliation from Mr. Squirrel



bruce-church (http://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Gaining on Mr. Squirrel While Enjoying the Birds":

Examples of gratuitous use of cardinal pictures on wild bird seed products:

Birdola Woodpecker Junior Seed Cake
has a Cardinal in the center, two black capped chickadees on the left, and a downy male woodpecker on the right (the male only has a red patch on the head):


http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3876130

Suet specifically for woodpeckers has a cardinal, gold finch, and maybe a woodpecker pictured in the background, but the third bird is too small in the picture to identify:
http://www.agway.com/catalog/bird/suet/woodpecker/06603808_feathered_friend_suet_woodpecker_2_5lb.html

Book on making bird food at home, and it only has a cardinal on the book cover:
http://www.a-home-for-wild-birds.com/homemade-wild-bird-food.html

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GJ - Mr. Squirrel humiliated me again. Not long ago, he stood on the squirrel-baffle and the bush to reach the seed, pumping the bar to feed sunflowers into his mouth. So I trimmed back the bush, to deny him a place for one leg.

Instead he stood with both feet on the baffle and fed himself.

He also hung down from the top of the bird-feeder, using the squirrel-prevent bar to pump seeds into his greedy mouth.

Meanwhile, I have been placing salted peanuts in the shell on the outside window sill. The fearless squirrels sit there and eat their peanuts, often watching us with no concern at all. I have tried scaring them away, but a squirrel will just do a startle move, getting ready to jump, without leaving the food. Once I opened the window and the squirrel on the feeder seemed to launch himself away as if a sling-shot propelled him.

My biggest reward lately has been a blue jay stopping by for peanuts. One day I was out of peanuts on the sill. The jay walked up and down on the sill, looking in, full of wrath that he was out of treats. In Midland I had one that bathed each morning and landed on the kitchen window sill, screaming at me, all wet, looking for his morning treat. When I opened the window, he flew to the maple and waited for the food, returning at once.

A $6 bag of salted peanuts in the shell has lasted me weeks and has about two weeks to go. The sunflower seeds are still being eaten, but it is nothing like the parade of cardinals we got after the heavy snows. They have paired off now. We see a male and a female around the feed from time to time.

South Central District, WELS:
"Delay the NNIV Decision,
Consider the Others"

Kudu Don Patterson's district grows a pear.




Memorial (SCD 20111) Subject: NIV 2011 and Translation Evaluation Committee Work

Committee: Floor Committee #19, Bible Translation Reference: BORAM, p3637, Translation Committee Supplemental Report

WHEREAS 1) the publication of NIV2011 requires the synod to make a decision about which translation it will use in its publications; and

WHEREAS 2) we recognize that the NIV2011 contains many improvements, but also contains many passages which unnecessarily weaken the translation; and

WHEREAS 3) many passages dealing with Messianic prophecy are rendered in a questionable or unacceptable way; and

WHEREAS 4) some of the use of genderinclusive language is welcome, but some departs from the original meaning of the Greek or Hebrew text; and

WHEREAS 5) some translations of passages dealing with gender roles obscures the Biblical doctrine of the roles of men and women; and

WHEREAS 6) the members of the South Central District believe that fidelity to the meaning of the original text is ultimately more important than the flow and currency of its English expression; and

WHEREAS 7) our own WELS Translation Evaluation Committee does not expect the WELS convention in July of 2011 to make a final decision about the choice of a Bible translation for WELS publications; and

WHEREAS 8) the WELS Translation Evaluation Committee believes that there needs to be further discussion held among a wider audience until we reach a more general agreement; and

WHEREAS 9) the WELS Translation Evaluation Committee has not had time to review thoroughly the leading options among the current Bible translations for our use other than NIV2011; therefore be it

Resolved, a) that we urge the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod in its 2011 convention to commission a thorough study of the other leading options among the current Bible translations for use in our publications (An American Translation [AAT, Beck], English Standard Version [ESV], Holman Christian Standard Bible [HCSB], New American Standard Bible [NASB], and New King James Version [NKJV]), to be reported to the constituency of our synod; and be it further

Resolved, b) that we urge this study to be conducted with the serious consideration that one of these other translations may be more appropriate for use in WELS publications; and be it further

Resolved, c) that we urge the 2011 convention to make no decision regarding which translation the WELS will use in its official publications; and be it finally

Resolved, d) that we thank the WELS Translation Evaluation Committee for the work they have done.

The South Central District

Yes, WELS, There Is a Virginia,
And She Helped Translate Your Yummy New Bible.
Criticizing This Debacle Will Destroy Baby Blue Eye's Faith

 

 

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Yes, Santa Claus, there is a Virginia.

Vm_comic_1stpageVirginia Ramey Mollenkott celebrated her 75th birthday a few days ago. You may or may not know Virginia, but the odds are if you're reading this blog, your life has been touched by her work.
In 1978, Virginia Mollenkott co-authored (with Letha Dawson Scanzoni) the book Is         the Homosexual My Neighbor? A Postive Christisan Response. God alone knows how many queer lives she saved with that book, which is still on the shelves, revised and re-isued, after 19 years. Yow!
I first ran into this handsome butch spiritual lesbian about ten years ago when we met at the now defunct A Different Light LGBT bookstore in New York City. Virginia has written 13 books, but my favorite remains Omnigender: A Trans-Religious Approach, in which she debunks the myth of religious "truth" of two and two only genders, and she does this religion by religion. It's amazing work.


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Virginia Ramey Mollenkott, Ph.D.



Oral History:  Virginia Mollenkott

In the mid-1970's, while still closeted personally, Mollenkott began to advocate at church conferences in behalf of lesbian and gay Christians. In l978, with Letha Dawson Scanzoni, she published Is the Homosexual My Neighbor?, which became the spearhead volume of Harper San Francisco's collection of LGBT texts. The book, which won an Integrity award for "extraordinary support of the gay Christian movement," was revised and vastly expanded in 1994.

Mollenkott served as Stylistic Consultant for the New International Version of the Bible, and as a member of the National Council of Churches' Inclusive Language Lectionary Committee, coming out to the NCC convention in support of the Metropolitan Community Church's application for membership. She has guest lectured at hundreds of universities, church conferences and seminaries, and testified on behalf of the New Jersey anti-discrimination law, receiving a l992 Achievement Award from the NJ Lesbian and Gay Coalition. In 1999, SAGE (Senior Action in a Gay Environment) presented her with a Lifetime Achievement Award for her work of combating heterosexism in religion.

Mollenkott has served as Board Member for various GLBT-friendly organizations, including Evangelicals Concerned, The Center for Sexuality and Religion, and Kirkridge Retreat Center, where for many years has led several GLBT events annually. She is a founding member of the GLBT-inclusive Evangelical and Ecumenical Women's Caucus.

Among her twelve books, the most explicitly lesbian is Sensuous Spirituality: Out From Fundamentalism, although lesbians have also enjoyed The Divine Feminine: Biblical Imagery of God as Female. Her most recent and most radical work, Omnigender: A TransReligious Approach, won the 2002 Lambda Literary Award in the bisexual/transgender category.

(This biographical statement provided by Virginia Mollenkott.)

the LGBT Religious Archives Network

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Honoring Virginia Ramey Mollenkott

514k8xghl_ss500__2Remarks I wrote and delivered in New York City at the Union Theological Seminary on Friday, September 19th, 2008—on the occasion of the publication of the new edition of her book, Sensuous Spirituality, and the acceptance of Virginia Ramey Mollenkott's archives at The Center for Lesbian & Gay Studies in Religion & Ministry at Pacific School of Religion, Berkeley, California.
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One of the major blocks to going through with my gender change was my fear of God's wrath. It makes sense—I'm a Jew, and we believe that God can be mighty wrathful when He wants to be—no matter that wrath is a deadly sin.
I left religion behind me, and embraced atheism as a spiritual path.

Many transgender people do that: when our religious leaders tell us how angry God is going to be with us for messing with our God-given genders, we turn away from God. And we eventually reach a point of unbearable loneliness and inconsolable grief, with no God to comfort us. Virginia Ramey Mollenkott is the first person to address our spiritual conundrum. She is the first person to return us to God's comfort and wisdom.

Over the recent history of the movement for transgender freedom—the 1990's and the late 1980's—trannies fell into one of two camps: either we were academics, who taught the neither/nor beliefs of postmodern theory, or we were political activists who fought for transgender civil liberties. For nearly a decade, Virginia Mollenkott has stood alone as a spiritual leader, a beacon to every transgender person who came across her work.

In her ground-breaking book, Omnigender, a trans-religious approach, Virginia teaches that the origin of trans oppression found in Deuteronomy comes down to the old Jewish love of binaries, and their abhorrence of incompatibility.

Men do one thing, women do another. They can't be mixed up. According to old Jewish ways of thinking, when you add femaleness to maleness, you pollute maleness and confuse the accepted bipolar gender system. That’s a double bind: first, it implies that femaleness is polluting, and second, it plays on the fact that Jews despise confusion. It’s why we’re always think-think-thinking!

Virginia's answer to the paranoia of Deuteronomy is this, from Omnigender:

“Any sincerely religious person who believes that women and men are equally created in God's image should think twice before invoking biblical prohibitions against cross-dressing and same-sex love. Because these prohibitions are associated with the attitude that femaleness is a pollutant, they have no place within a democratic and fair-minded society, let alone in a contemporary church, synagogue, or mosque.”

Virginia taught us that God—like gender—has many faces, and that none of His true faces are wrathful or transphobic. By painstakingly tracing the roots of trans prohibition in religions, Virginia has built us a bridge that connects postmodern theory and political activism with spirituality. That's never been done before.

Today, touring around to colleges and universities, I'm seeing more and more young trans students who are majoring in Religious Studies. Each and very one of them I spoke told me that Virginia Mollenkott was a major inspiration for their wish to ma
ke spirituality and religion a more integral and accessible part of the transgender experience.
Img_0851Why might Dr. Mollenkott be so successful at reaching out to trannies? Well, one reason Virginia's work is so popular amongst trannies is that Virginia makes it okay to be religious and sexy at the same time. I mean, just look at this sexy, handsome woman (who just happens to be one of the finest flirts I know!)Thanks to Virginia Mollenkott, religion hasn't been this sexy or this much fun since the days of temple prostitutes!

In closing—before coming to this gathering this evening, I posted on Twitter that I was writing my talking points on Virginia's impact on the trans world. Within minutes of my post, I received this response from Natasha:
"Thank you for introducing me to Virginia Mollenkott. Ya gotta love anyone who can get the theocrats panties in a twist!"

She’s right. We do love you, Virginia Mollenkott. We do love you.

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Virginianancy
My friend Virginia Ramey Mollenkott was speaking as was Rev. Elder Nancy Wilson, Moderator and spiritual leader of Metropolitan Community Church, my ministry home. I was privileged to spend some time with my friend and mentor Virginia and her partner. And I was able to enjoy Nancy and her assistant Connie's company as well.  Great lectures, wonderful music including a concert by folk singer Carrie Newcomer, a closing worship service that really grounded me in a way that was very helpful.


I've been slow to join EEWC (EEWC Website) and slower to attend their conferences and read their GREAT newsletter Christian Feminism Today.  So learn from my mistakes whether you're male or female identified and join this great organization.  These people, women and men, have something special going on. You won't find me missing from one of their conferences again!


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Wikipedia Article. More at the link.


Virginia Ramey Mollenkott spent her 44 year professional career teaching college level English literature and language, but developed specializations in feminist theology and lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender theology during the second half of that career.

She was born in Philadelphia's Temple University Hospital on January 28, 1932; married Frederick H. Mollenkott on June 17, 1954; had a son, Paul F. Mollenkott, on July 3, 1958; and was divorced in July of 1973. She earned her B.A. from fundamentalist Bob Jones University in 1953; her M.A. at Temple University in 1955; her Ph.D. at New York University in 1964; and received an honorary Doctorate in Ministries from Samaritan College in 1989. She chaired the English Department at Shelton College, Ringwood, New Jersey, from 1955-1963 and at Nyack College, Nyack, New York, from 1963-1967. She then taught at William Paterson University in Wayne, New Jersey from 1967 to 1997, chairing the English Department from 1972-1976 and since 1997 holding the position of Professor of English Emeritus.

Dr. Mollenkott served as an assistant editor of Seventeenth Century News from 1965-1975; as a stylistic consultant for the New International Version of the Bible for the American Bible Society from 1970-1978; as a member of the translation committee for An Inclusive Language Lectionary for the National Council of Churches from 1980-1988; on the Board of Pacem in Terris, Warwick, New York, from 1980-1990; on the Board of the Upper Room AIDS Ministry, Harlem, New York, from 1989-1994; on the Board of Kirkridge Retreat and Conference Center, Bangor, PA, from 1980-1991; on the Advisory Board of the Program on Gender and Society at the Rochester (New York) Divinity School from 1993-1996; as a manuscript evaluator for the Journal of Feminist Studies in Religion from 1994 to the present; as a contributing editor to The Witness from 1994 to 2000; and as a contributing editor to The Other Side from 2003-2007. She has delivered hundreds of guest lectures on feminist and LGBT theologies at churches, conferences, universities and seminaries throughout the United States.
Mollenkott's books include Adamant and Stone Chips, 1967; In Search of Balance, 1969; Women, Men and the Bible, 1977 (revised and updated in 1988; Korean translation in 1981); Speech, Silence Action, 1980; Is the Homosexual My Neighbor: A Positive Christian Response, 1978 (with Letha Dawson Scanzoni; revised and updated in 1994; won the Integrity Award, 1979); The Divine Feminine: Biblical Imagery of God as Female, 1983 (published in German, 1985; in French, 1990; and in Italian, 1993); Views from the Intersection, 1984 (with Catherine Barry); Godding; Human Responsibility and the Bible, 1987; Sensuous Spirituality: Out from Fundamentalism, 1982 (revised and expanded, 2008); Omnigender: A Trans-Religious Approach, 2001 (revised and updated, 2007; won the Lambda Literary Award, 2002; and the Ben Franklin Award, 2002); and Transgender Journeys, 2003 (with Vanessa Sheridan).

Dr. Mollenkott also edited a book of spiritual poems, Adam Among the Television Trees, 1971; and a volume of inter-religious dialogue, Women of Faith in Dialogue, 1987. Since 1997 she has served on the editorial board of Studies in Theology and Sexuality, based in the United Kingdom.

In 1992 Dr. Mollenkott received the New Jersey Lesbian and Gay Achievement Award, and in 1999 was the recipient of a Lifetime Achievement Award from SAGE (Senior Action in a Gay Environment).
She has been a lifetime member of the Modern Language Association, where she served on the Executive Committee of Religion and Literature from 1976-1980; and a lifetime member of the Milton Society of America, serving on the executive committee from 1974-1976. She has published dozens of articles in scholarly and literary journals as well as church-related publications, and is an active founding member of the Evangelical and Ecumenical Women's Caucus, better known as Christian Feminism Today.

A Democrat and trans-religious Christian, Dr. Mollenkott lives with her domestic partner Judith Suzannah Tilton at Cedar Crest Retirement Village; together they co-grandmother Virginia's three granddaughters. Dr. Mollenkott's archives are available at The Center for Gay and Lesbian Studies at the Pacific School of Religion.

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Welcome to Virginia's Official Website

Virginia Ramey Mollenkott is the author or co-author of 13 books, including several on women and religion. She is a winner of the Lambda Literary Award and has published numerous essays on literary topics.

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Sodomy and the NIV


The following readings compare the KJB and the NIV in several areas where sodomy or homosexual behavior is mentioned. Going over these, it is easy to see that sodomy was never considered as a viable concept in the NIV and homosexuality was presented from Dr. Mollenkott's viewpoint. The comments of Dr. Mollenkott are from her book, Is The Homosexual My Neighbor? (abbreviated as ITHMN)


Genesis 19:5 - The sin of Sodom

KJB - And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, where are the men which came into thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
NIV - They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out so that we can have sex with them."
Mollenkott, ITHMN, Page 57 - "... the Sodom story seems to be focusing on two specific evils: (1) violent gang rape and (2) inhospitality to the stranger."

Leviticus 18:22 - Sodomy

KJB - Thou shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.
NIV - Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman: that is detestable.
(Author's note: There is quite a degree of difference between the meaning of the words, abomination and detestable.)

Leviticus 20:13 - Sodomy

KJB - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death: their blood shall be upon them.
NIV - If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them has done what is detestable. They must be put to death: their blood will be on their own heads.
Mollenkott, ITHMN, Pages 110 through 121 - "Dr. Mollenkott argues that this is part of the ceremonial laws, and as such, are to be disregarded by the Christian. She places this act on the same level as wearing clothes of two different materials."

Deuteronomy 23:17 - Sodomite

KJB - There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
NIV - No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute.

Judges 19:22 - Sodomy

KJB - Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.
NIV - While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him."
Mollenkott, ITHMN, Page 57 - "Violence - forcing sexual activity upon another - is the real point to this story."

I Kings 14:24 - Sodomites

KJB - And there were sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the Lord cast out before the children of Israel.
NIV - There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites.

I Kings 15:12 - Sodomites

KJB - And he took away the sodomites out of the land and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.
NIV - He expelled all the shrine prostitutes from the land and got rid of the idols his fathers had made.

I Kings 22:46 - Sodomites

KJB - And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.
NIV - He rid the land of the rest of the shrine prostitutes who remained there even after the reign of his father Asa.

II Kings 23:7 - Sodomites

KJB - And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the Lord, where the women wove hangings for the grove.
NIV - He also tore down the quarters of the male shrine prostitutes, which were in the temple of the Lord and where women did weaving for Asherah.
Mollenkott, ITHMN, Page 59 & 60 - "Most scholars agree that in the fertility religions of Israel's neighbors, male cult prostitutes were employed for homosexual acts. The people who loved and served the God of Israel were strictly forbidden to have anything to do with such idolatry, and the Jewish men were commanded to never serve as temple prostitutes."
(Author's note: Clearly a male could be a shrine prostitute and not be a homosexual, but according to the dictionary a Sodomite is a homosexual.)

Matthew 11:24 - Judgment upon Sodom

KJB - But I say unto you, That it shall be more
tolerable for the land of Sodom, in the day of judgment, than for thee.
NIV - But I tell you it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.

Luke 10:12 - Judgment upon Sodom

KJB - But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom than for that city.
NIV - I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for you.
Mollenkott, ITHMN, Page 59-"Jesus refers to Sodom, not in the context of sexual acts, but in the contents of inhospitality." And on Page 71, she expands this thought with the idea of a life long homosexual orientation or 'condition' is never mentioned in the Bible."

Romans 1:26 & 27 - Homosexuality

KJB - For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections; for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And like wise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in lust one toward another; man with men working that which is unseemingly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
NIV - Because of this, God gave him over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another.
Mollenkott, ITHMN, Page 62 - "The key thought here seems to be lust, 'unnaturalness,' and, in verse 28, a desire to avoid the acknowledgment of God. But although the censure fits idolatrous people with whom Paul was concerned here, it does not seem to fit the case of a sincere homosexual Christian. Such a person loves Jesus Christ and wants above all to acknowledge God in all of life, yet for some unknown reason feels drawn to someone of the same sex, for the sake of love rather than lust. Is it fair to describe that person as lustful or desirous of forgetting God's existence?"

I Corinthians 6:9 - Rejection of homosexual behavior

KJB - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.
NIV - Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral nor idolators nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.
A note here to point out that this is the only place in the NIV where the word "homosexual" occurs. It is not clear from the context if this means heterosexuals who abuse homosexuals or homosexuals who abuse each other. See Dr. Mollenkott's explanation in the 1st Timothy comments following.

I Timothy 1:9 & 10

KJB - Knowing this, that the law is not made for righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers. For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for manstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.
NIV - We also know that law is not made for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murders, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine.
Mollenkott, ITHMN, Page 67 - "Interpretations of these passages depends on two Greek words used in I Cor. 6:9 which have presented a problem for translators in the King James Version, they translated 'effeminate' and 'abusers of themselves with mankind.' In the Revised Standard Version of 1952, they were combined and rendered simply 'homosexuals,' which implied that all persons whose erotic interests were oriented to the same sex were by the very fact excluded from membership in the kingdom of God. But the original intent seems to have been to single out specific kinds of same-sex practices which were deplorable."

Jude 7 - Strange flesh

KJB - Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
NIV - In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
Mollenkott, ITHMN, Page 59 - "The unnatural lust" thus could, in the context, and in view of the apocryphal texts to which Jude made allusion, refer to a desire for sexual contact between human and heavenly beings.î

It would not be fair to say that all the people involved in producing the NIV favored homosexuality as an alternate lifestyle, but it is fair to say that those who were responsible for the final wordings were at least sympathetic to Dr. Mollenkott's cause. One only has to look at the treatment of sodomy in the NIV to reach this conclusion.

While many believe practicing homosexuals can be Christian, there are many others who have a different conviction about what the Bible says about sodomy. For this group, it is hardly acceptable to call Sodomites temple prostitutes, or to think of same-sex relationships as natural. These same people would take a viewpoint that God hates the sin of homosexuality and will bring judgment on those who live this kind of lifestyle.

The information presented here is not all-inclusive, but is intended to sound an alarm. If the NIV is your Bible of choice, it would be prudent to look closely in other areas as well, for there are many other subjects handled just as loosely as sodomy. Don't take anyone's word for what God says; Check it out! After all, He'll hold you alone responsible.