David Jay Webber (Djw)
Perhaps something that has contributed toward Mr. Krohn's confusion on what the authentic Lutheran teaching is, is that he was accepted into membership in an LCMS church, even though the one and only reason for his having been disciplined in his former WELS church was his rejection of objective justification. On that point, the LCMS pastor and church should probably have told him that the LCMS and the WELS are in agreement regarding objective justification, so that a rejection or questioning of this doctrine is not in itself a valid reason either to depart from the WELS or to go to the LCMS.
If his previous WELS pastor had perhaps not explained objective justification clearly, or if he had explained it in a misleading way, that pastor could have been encouraged to read WELS Pastor Jon Buchholz's essay on the topic, in which Buchholz points out and corrects certain weak and even erroneous forms of expression that have sometimes been used in WELS to explain this doctrine; and in which Buchholz also lays out the balanced and correct way to explain it.
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Mr. Krohn likewise should have been encouraged to read and study this essay himself. But on this particular issue, Mr. Krohn should have been guided back toward a reconciliation with his WELS pastor and church, and not to have been taken into LCMS membership, as if the LCMS does not also embrace and confess objective justification.
Jim Pierce (Jim_pierce)
For those who are interested, Mr. Krohn has his own blog Luther Rocks. If one were so inclined to do a search against Dr. Jackson Ichabod blog, you would find many a comment by Mr. Krohn aka "Luther Rocks" in support of Dr. Jackson and Jackson's views against OJ.
If I am mistaken, then please correct me, Mr. Krohn.
Btw, Mr. Krohn is somewhat of a hero in the Jackson sect, because he was "persecuted" for his faith and kicked out of his WELS congregation for teaching against OJ, according to the information at Dr. Jackson's blog. Please correct that if it is wrong, Mr. Krohn.
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GJ - I recall Joe Krohn daring to ask about the WELS-LCMS fund-raising fee of $40,000. Never get between a Changer and his money.
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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Condescending LaughQuest Denizens Hep Out Joe Kroh...":
Pastor Webber is directing people to (W)ELS DP Buchholz' Universal Justification paper for clarity. He's got to be kidding. Note that it was Pastor Jon Buchholz' primary goal in writting the essay to move people to use terms that Scripture uses to describe and teach the doctrine of Justification. Here's the clarity and return to Scriptural verbage that Buchholz provided:
"God has forgiven the whole world. God has forgiven everyone his sins." This statement is absolutely true! This is the heart of the gospel, and it must be preached and taught as the foundation of our faith. But here’s where the caveat comes in: In Scripture, the word "forgive" is used almost exclusively in a personal, not a universal sense. The Bible doesn’t make the statement, "God has forgiven the world."
"God has forgiven all sins, but the unbeliever rejects God’s forgiveness." Again, this statement is true—and Luther employed similar terminology to press the point of Christ’s completed work of salvation.16 But we must also recognize that Scripture doesn’t speak this way."
"God has declared the entire world righteous." This statement is true, as we understand it to mean that God has rendered a verdict of "not-guilty" toward the entire world. It is also true—and must be taught—that the righteousness of Christ now stands in place of the world’s sin; this is the whole point of what Jesus did for us at Calvary. However, once again we’re wresting a term out of its usual context. In Scripture the term "righteous" usually refers to believers." [GJ - "Usually"?]
What a scam these guys are pulling over on the laity and weak willed clergy!
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GJ - Buchholz portrayed his paper as a corrective, so they could slither away from the Kokomo Statements, which they lied about while supporting and enforcing them.
Buchholz considers himself an expert, but when I asked him about studying the issue, he said, "I haven't unpacked your book." I did not go to him about UOJ. He went to me. He had time to dig a giant pool, worthy of an emperor, but not time to study the Word. The requirement is "apt to teach," not "apt to swim."
Thy Strong Word has been available free on the Net for years, so he could have done that without unpacking his books.
Webber is another one who pursues the logical fallacy of Special Pleading. He endlessly repeats the same, lame arguments. He has no grasp of his errors because any interruption causes the recording to play over again.
