Der Schwarz Schaf has left a new comment on your post "Condescending LaughQuest Denizens Hep Out Joe Kroh...":
Hi,
Would someone please answer this question:
(Maybe Dr. Weber would be so kind.)
If I am declared completely forgiven, holy, and righteous in God's eyes, by God Himself, already before I was born or came to faith, then what, please, is the point of believing or having faith in the first place?
If you say - well, God commands us to have faith, then it seems to me that you have turned faith into a law that must be kept in order to be saved. Isn't that work-righteousness?! I don't get it.
Are we saved by faith in Jesus as our Savior, or are we saved regardless of whether we believe in Jesus or not? Help!!!
Lost!
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Febreze has left a new comment on your post "Dark Thoughts from Black Sheep":
Thanks for that comment. It's VERY simple yet very relevant. They'll spew their Objective Justification (God has forgiven everyone, regardless of faith, at the cross and/or the Resurrection) but then say that there is a subjective part -- faith.
Where I'm coming from, there's no reason to state a "subjective justification" if there is an already declared, divine forgiveness given to all at Christ's death and/or Resurrection.
At this point they'll say I'm misrepresenting how UOJ is to be understood. The fact of the matter is that no matter how anyone describes *their* definition of it, it always incorporates a declaration of forgiveness and Salvation prior to faith.
My advice: don't be fooled by the multiple definitions...stick to Justification by Faith alone as Scripture and the Confessions retain ad nauseum.
Note to those who adhere to this false doctrine of forgiveness given prior to faith: the numbers are rising who realize the heresy of UOJ. It's very refreshing :)
