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| Pastor Nathan Bickel, WELS |
Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "The Original NIV Mistake in WELS Has Paved the Way...":
[His blog is now listed in the left column - http://www.thechristianmessage.org/ ]
Some weeks ago I posted the following on the WELS Facebook Page - the part relegated to "recommendations." Here, following, was my comment:
That WELS include, an addendum to the latest synodical 4 lesson Bible study on Bible translations. Specifically, that:
1) Our sister Evangelical Lutheran Synod' Translation Committee gave thumbs down to the new NIV 11
2) Two WELS Districts have basically rejected the WELS Translation Evaluation Committee's recommendation for the new NIV 11 3) The Southern Baptist Convention has turned thumbs down on the new NIV 11
4) The Council for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood has turned thumbs down to the new NIV 11
5) What other Lutheran leaders / pastors have said about the new gender neutral NIV 11
I believe that the aforementioned information with some details would augment the present study and make it more objective and forthright. Our congregation, (of which my wife and I are members) is presently going through the 4 lesson study. I was dismayed and frustrated what I read in the 4th lesson. It had to do with the Translation Evaluation Committee's stated "Principles" (criteria) that guided them in the evaluation process. Here is that last principle of criteria, of which I thought, was not only flawed and presumptive, but also, assuming:
"We expect that the primary way in which most WELS people experience most of the Bible most of the time is by hearing it read--in the context of the public worship service. Consideration must therefore be given to a translation's suitability for being read aloud. Where do most of our members come into contact with God's Word? For better or for worse, isn't it in the worship serve or catechism class? Isn't it where Scripture is being read aloud? For this reason we felt it was important that the translation is easy to understand when being read........."
Finally, returning to my comment about being "dismayed and frustrated:" I can only conclude that the WELS Translation Evaluation process is flawed. It has assumed some things, without illustrating evidence to, what appears to be a foregone conclusion.
Secondly, it is lumping the total membership with this (apparent) preconceived criterion.
And, thirdly, it illustrates (and I sadly, say so) that the Translation process criteria goals were to recommend a translation that is "dumbed down," because our WELS membership [supposedly] cannot handle a translation that doesn't "sound" as well as another translation. It seems to me that this is [was] a similar flawed, presumptive, and assuming criterion of those [others] who desire to promote and sell the new NIV 11.
Finally, it seems to me, that something is not "right" with this whole process and the way it is now being presented to the WELS membership. I believe that we deserve, better.
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GJ - The Wisconsin Sect is a participatory monarchy, with Mark Jeske as the king, Mark Schroeder as his loyal subject.
Everyone is invited to participate, to give the illusion that opinons matter. Of course opinions matter very much if they are in agreement with the apostate leaders.
The agenda has been shaped, just like a cattle pen, to move the bovine herd into the right position to remove horns and other sensitive parts before they stampede in favor of the NNIV.
Those who object will be picked off one by one. This is the last chance for members and pastors to make a difference. By defying the process they can throw the Jeske zombies off, as they did at the WELS convention.
Paul O. Wendland's face was lined with thinly disguised disgust that anyone questioned his Biblical pornography, aka, the New NIV from R. Murdoch. DP Glaeske objected in a speech that was rare for one of the steers on the COP.
Did you wonder why conventions are run by steering committees. Steer is a middle verb in this case, "to make oneself into a steer for the sake of career advancement."
I am not allowed to associate the crook Murdoch with the pretzeling of the Scriptures. Germans like pretzels, so WELS will love the NNIV, Ja?
Bury this piece of work in rage and WELS will be a better sect. After all, Jeske's deputy, Mark Schroeder said that discussion was good for everyone.
Discuss - why are we letting The Sausage Factory push this garbage onto us?
Secondly - why is Mark Schroeder caving in again?
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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "The Original NIV Mistake in WELS Has Paved the Way...":
Conservative Lutheran Christian denominational church body would ever entertain adopting a gender neutral translation
First, there are no Conservative Lutheran denominations in existance.
(W)ELS excommunicated Joe and Lisa Krohn from Holy Word, Austin Texas because they confessed Justification by Faith Alone and rejected the false gospel of sins forgiven by God before and without the Means of Grace working Godly contrition over sin and faith alone in Christ. Every (W)ELS member took part in that excommunication and persecution of Christ's Church.
Second, the (W)ELS didn't only entertain adopting the blasphamy called the NNIV - their Seminary recommended the Convention adopt the NNIV as the official translation of the Synod. Those charged with training future pastors swooned with glee over Dr. Moo's false doctrine and abhorent deletions and additions to God's Word and are currently teaching (W)ELS future pastors to do the same.
The clear message from Lutheran Leadership, SP, DP, etc is:
WELS - Change or Die
ELS - Change or Die
LCMS - Change or Die
ELCA - Change or Die
CLC - Change or Die
That's what synod straddler Mark Jeske declares!
