Now people can see, within a period of months, that WELS and Missouri are just like the Roman Catholic Church. When children are exploited and sexually abused, the synod popes (Schroeder and Harrison) order secrecy and censor all discussion of the facts. It is a sin to comment on the scandals of WELS and Missouri, as Pope Paul the Unlearned explained:
It is a sin to assume the worst of our ecclesiastical supervisors and continually speak about them in a way that is nothing other than contemptuous and demeaning. We should be expected to give an account for our actions when we do.
It is a sin to look always for the worst in our church body, and expect it to do what we want it to do and then throw an online temper tantrum* when it does not. Our church body should do what is legal and work to honor those in authority – especially when doing what is legal is not easier than pleasing uninformed critics.
When the worst-construction thinkers among us get on their high-horses, a healthy skepticism and criticism of their activity is completely proper.
If we rightly require that our individual pastors meet the Apostolic standard to be “above reproach,” then we should expect them to be among the last to throw caution to the wind and indulge in Christian News/National Enquirer style rhetoric.
Paul T. McCain
*He will appreciate the irony of this later, when he reads his own words on the Net.
[Rick Strickert on LQ -
Some thought the pecksniffian phrases, "online temper tantrum," "high horses" and "Christian News/National Enquirer style rhetoric" were hilarious. One BJS poster noted that his keyboard got coffee all over it when he read that comment. And Publisher McCain's bosom buddy, Ichabod, noted, "He will appreciate the irony of this later, when he reads his own words on the Net."]
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A Missouri layman responded:
“Some Thoughts about the Man Behind the Curtain”
But let’s keep the discussions to platitudes, euphemisms, slogans, and generalities… oh, and also, as #5 mentioned, pecksniffian comments.
There’s no need to get into any substantive details, provide links to factual information, or compare conflicting versions of reports about synodical events. We have been given the assurance that any matters of detail about synodical issues are being handled elsewhere with absolute integrity.
Carl Vehse [appropriate pseudonym - Vehse was the lawyer who covered up for Stephan]
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GJ - I seldom look at Steadfast (sic) Lutherans because of its superficiality. They were the ones who backed Pope Harrison, who revealed his true nature in his obvious connection with Paul T. McCain, whom I have dubbed his campaign manager.
Now Missouri Synod Lutherans can see that Harrison is just another Kieschnick, and Missouri is just a retro version of ELCA, gladly working with the apostates while clucking the sanctimonious tongues about the apostasy of ELCA.
Many have expressed a similar disappointment with Mark Schroeder, who has spent his time rewarding the Church and Changers with promotions. At first one might have excused his timidity or indolence, since he was new in the job. Just as Harrison is not happy with his minions at Steadfast, Schroeder is not happy with his supporters at Intrepid Lutherans.
Readers - do you want to know why these scandals continue to erupt among the married clergy, teachers, and church workers? After all, we cannot blame celibacy rules for Lutherans having sex with men, women, boys and girls in their own calls.
The reasons are two-fold:
- The synodical leaders impose silence on anyone who knows the truth, and they often lie about what happened. They have no qualms about attacking anyone who dares to expose the truth.
- The clergy and laity go along with this campaign of corruption, silencing themselves when ordered, fearing any retribution from the bosses, joining in silencing the ones who object to this depravity.
Note that the Evangelical Lutheran Synod had no trouble working with Floyd Luther Stolzenburg, who was kicked out of the LCMS ministry for cause, for many causes. John Shep and Roger Kovaciny made Floyd out to be a heroic supporter of their cause, just as Marvin Schwan was.
The Schwan story will wait until the clergy are done with their Easter vacations.
Jay Webber, ELS, had no trouble working with Stolzenburg and collecting money from Emmanuel Lutheran in Columbus, Ohio. Jay knew all about Stolzenburg from me. The ELS had the court records about Stolzenburg. WELS knew about it all along, as Paul Kuske claimed, but WELS lied about Stolzenburg's "Scriptural" divorce. Yes, the holier-than-thou WELS clergy blamed Floyd's divorce on his wife!
Don't smirk, Misourians, because Walther blamed Stephan's adultery on Mrs. Stephan, who caught syphilis from her husband, was abandoned by her husband, and was left to die with her syphilitic children in Dresden by Stephan, Walther, Vehse, and the pious Saxon immigrants.
The longer Lutherans wait to deal with this mode of rewarding and empowering the abusers, the greater the judgment will be against them. Those who participate in the silence are more guilty than the sickos who do this and cling to their church vocations in the name of UOJ.
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Adolph Hoenecke has left a new comment on your post "Surrender! - A New Perfume Stench from Steadfast L...":
Well, the whip has come down in the LC-MS. Shall we wager to see how long it takes to come down in the WELS?
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GJ - Remember these examples when Harrison and Schroeder say, "I am helpless to do anything about it."
I can count up quite a few people who have been silenced by Schroeder, but not one of them is a Church and Changer.
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Helen Jensen, LQ:
Why is a divorced man allowed to be playing pastor in the church? --R D Ryan
Divorced and remarried once is unfortunately not that uncommon, (if the pastor was the "innocent party", though I don't think you'll find that item in Paul's advice to Timothy).
It's triple divorce, married a fourth time, and graduate of a "lay ministry" program, estimated at as little as 6 months.
We should "trust the ecclesiastical supervisors" who allowed all this (and worse) into Word and Sacrament ministry to handle the situation "with integrity"!?
"A bishop must be blameless, husband of one wife [at a time?]...."
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GJ - That is the situation in WELS, too. Columbus had three divorced pastors out of six, although two of them were really fakes who pretended to be. Nevertheless, the two fakes received calls - thanks to WELS district officials. The new DP John Seifert kicked Marc Schroeder and his church out of WELS (old grudge between Marc and Marc Schroeder) but Missouri took the parish and pastor in, no problem.
That is why people have no use for synodical officials. They are dishonest, deceptive, and abusive, always protecting and defending what is wrong.