Thursday, December 6, 2012

Left Behind - UOJ from Knapp Turned into Open Universalism in the Mainline Pietistic Denominations



LPC has left a new comment on your post "Grammar Is Good But the Plain Word of God in Any L...": 

Simpleman,

The WELS and LCMS plus the other mini-Synods are very peculiar - they are the only ones who believe that in Romans 4:25, all human beings have been already justified - note in the past tense, a finished event already.

When you swallow one false teaching, you do not only swallow one, you start to swallow the implications that go with that teaching which again are fasle doctrines themselves.

The reason why you feel as if you were missing something is because they have placed something in the passage that is not there. Remember the teaching in the Book of Revelations, cursed is everyone who adds something to the word of God.

If they added something then of course, you are missing something, but which one is faithful to God's word?

One of the false conclusions you get when you swallow UOJ is that you do not even know if you have faith - you become an ignoramus in many ways. Whereas Calvinism makes you look inside you, UOJ does not even want you to look anywhere not even the Word of God. UOJ wants you to teach you all else is irrelevant because you have already been justified by default. So you become indifferent to faith itself, yet it is the most precious thing that God holds in all the universe.

Here is the test.

To know if you have faith just ask the question - did Jesus die on the Cross for you? Yes or No. What sayeth Scripture? If you say yes, you have faith.

LPC 



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GJ - This morning I was thinking about the paragraph that I marked in blue, above. Dr. Cruz has an admirable way of re-stating the problem. That probably comes from his background in math (PhD) and logic, plus his experience in various confessions.

Many have had the same experience, being tossed to and fro as they looked for the truth. They value the Word alone and the classic Lutheran works because a few words of the Gospel are far more valuable than volumes of to-ing and fro-ing. 

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Extra Nos: Hunnius proves Steadfast Waltherians ar...":

Simpleman, you'll get a rabid response if you care to post your statements on Lutherquest or Steadfast Lutherans. Lutherquest will allow it in order to give their UOJ pack something to chew on. Steadfast's probably won't because they are a closed UOJ shop. I don't know Greek so I cannot address that portion of your contention. Your statement overall is faithful to Scripture and the Lutheran Confessions and that is always appreciated. In the eternal conflict between UOJ and Christ's Gospel the water is warm - jump right in.

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GJ - Brett is always willing to plow through the tedious UOJ material to extract the basic errors. UOJ stylists still post here from time to time, but they have given up trying to sell their bad arguments and faulty documentation.

That is their white flag of surrender - they ban justification by faith on their blogs but do not even try to market their toxins where the debate is wide open.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Believing in Christ Is Forgiveness - Too Complicat...":

2 Corinthians 13:5, "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"

This verse is the very point that Dr. Cruz establishes: that a Christian's comfort comes from the faith of the Holy Spirit of which Christ is the author and finisher of, Hebrews 12:2, "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and set down at the right hand of the throne of God."

We should all send (W)ELS District President Jon Buchholz a thank you card. It's incredible to think of all the well spent time and effort that has gone into refuting the false gospel of UOJ in each of it's tenets as it attacks the work of Christ, the righteousness of Faith, the work of the Holy Spirit through the Means of Grace, the doctrine of the Adoption of Sons, the singular reality of God the Father (more needs to be said of UOJ's New Age teaching of multiple realities) etc etc. Yet in a few minutes Buchholz boiled the whole contention between Universal Objective Justification and Christ's one Justification Solely by Faith in Him Alone down to the simplest and most easily understood terms: IF YOU BELIEVE THAT SINS ARE FORGIVEN SOLELY BY FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE: YOU ARE DAMNED.

Not to say that the (W)ELS hasn't condemned people for this before. The Kokomo families were excommunicated for rejecting the version of UOJ which (W)ELS theologian Siegbert W. Becker embraced. Joe and Lisa Krohn were excommunicated from Holy Word in Austin, Texas.

Jon Buchholz' excommunication of faithful Pastor Paul Rydecki from the (W)ELS in September of 2012 was just another example of the similarities between the Lutheran Synods and the Roman Catholic Church's official teaching in the Council of Trent. The Antichrist, Jon Buchholz and the Lutheran Synods declare anathema (condemn to Hell) anyone who believes they are Justified solely by faith in Christ alone.

Simple.
Profound.

Question is, when will Buchholz and Schroeder distribute the next (W)ELS Papal Bull regarding their version of the wholly perverse false gospel of Objective Justification which wars against Christ and His Church and when will anyone in the Lutheran Synods stand up and publicly oppose the false gospel of UOJ? 



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GJ - Brett, I am sure they are going to rely on bamboozling the laity and clergy with their New NIV:

  • Great scholars. 
  • United effort by Biblical translators.
  • Voted up by our own brilliant faculty.
  • Must adopt immediately.


Thus a laughable paraphrase promoted by atheists, scoundrels, lesbians, and English-language-destroyers will be their basis for UOJ forever.

Many clergy have no grasp of Hebrew and Greek, in spite of what they claim at Mequon. I saw no Greek ability at all in the Columbus WELS coven. DP Nitz' son and Paul Kuske could not translate 1 John from Greek to English with advance notice. No one wanted to work on Hebrew except Schumann and me. Schumann started and dropped out of graduate school - OT.

When WELS brags about their great grasp of Hebrew and Greek, try not to smile. Tears squirt out of my eyes from the pain of holding back.