Saturday, March 24, 2012

Versions of Beautiful Savior - Thanks to FB Friend
Iggy Antiochus















Beautiful Savior, King of Creation,
Son of God and Son of Man!
Truly I'd love Thee, truly I'd serve Thee,
Light of my soul, my joy, my crown.

Fair are the meadows,
Fair are the woodlands,
Robed in flowers of blooming spring;
Jesus is fairer, Jesus is purer;
He makes our sorrowing spirit sing.

Fair is the sunshine,
Fair is the moonlight,
Bright the sparkling stars on high;
Jesus shines brighter, Jesus shines purer,
Than all the angels in the sky.

Beautiful Savior, Lord of the nations,
Son of God and Son of Man!
Glory and honor, praise, adoration,
Now and forevermore be Thine!

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IggyAntiochus has left a new comment on your post "Versions of Beautiful Savior - Thanks to FB Friend...":

You're very welcome, Gregory! :)

Trinity Broadcasting Network - Expose

Jan Crouch


One of my Facebook friends has written about Paul and Jan Crouch, so I asked him for information about the book.

http://www.newdiscernment.org/

Rev. Bob Liichow Hi brother Gregory. If you'd like to tell folks about my book "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About TBN* (*But Were Afraid to Ask) --- they can order a copy for a mere $25.00 in full color, 8.5 X 11 book, professionally done. You can direct them to send me an email at Bliichow@juno.com or simply send a donation to us via PayPal through our website ---www.newdiscernment.org. Thanks and God bless!

http://discernmentministriesinternational.wordpress.com/

West Hollywood coyboy Paul Crouch.
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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Trinity Broadcasting Network - Expose":

There are many independent ministries with a strong Internet presence that have opposed the Church Growth Movement. Many of them are more knowledgeable and vocal in their opposition than most of today's alleged conservative Lutherans. A few years back, when I was looking for help in finding out about Rick Warren, I ended up printing out a stack of articles about two feet high. It gave me good insight into the flighty nature of the book of the month trend that is prevalent in today's navel gazing American evangelicalism. Conditions have only deteriorated since that time. So much of the laity has been hoodwinked. A member who desires study from the Book of Concord certainly must seem to be an anomaly.


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GJ - The ELCA pastors, led by Tietjen, rebelled against a CG parish being set up in their territory. The insurance project moved to Yorba Linda, flopped, and closed. That was the only Lutheran opposition I saw, except for Richard Neuhaus' speech against it at Ad Fontes. Neuhaus was one of many people I knew whose disgust with Church Growthism translated into Romanism.

I have always been startled by the Evangelicals' slashing, pointed attacks against the Fuller mentality. The so-called conservative Lutherans simply compromise, defend, and promote it.

Buchholz was supposed to be a critic of Church Growth, but he has been a defender of it, a bulwark for Mark Jeske too.

The truly conservative Protestants, who actually believe in the authority of the Word of God, have no use for Fuller Seminary antics, including those spikey-haired goofballs who called themselves Emergent.

That is one thing lacking in the Synodical Conference (tm). Lutherans should be teaching the Means of Grace faithfully and upholding worship and sermon standards. Their lack of faith in the efficacy of the Word shows the world that they are no more than Fuller wannabees, without the spine to admit the truth about their cowardly retreat.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Trinity Broadcasting Network - Expose":

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/televangelists-accused-of-defrauding-50-million-from-trinity-broadcasting-network/
Their granddaughter, Brittany Koper, recently filed court papers that include allegations of $50 million in financial shenanigans at the world’s largest Christian broadcasting network. Her suit was followed by another from a Koper in-law, who detailed opulent spending at the network on items such as private jets, mansions in California, Tennessee and Florida and a $100,000 mobile home for Jan Crouch’s dogs.

(W)ELS never found the $8,000,000. Who is in a position to explain what happened to eight million dollars of the laity's offerings? I think that qualifies Synod money to be henceforth referred to as Burnt Offerings.

Beautiful Savior, King of Creation












"Beautiful Savior"
by Author Unknown, 1677
Translated by Joseph A. Seiss, 1823-1904

1. Beautiful Savior,
King of Creation,
Son of God and Son of Man!
Truly I'd love Thee,
Truly I'd serve Thee,
Light of my soul, my Joy, my Crown.

2. Fair are the meadows,
Fair are the woodlands,
Robed in flowers of blooming spring;
Jesus is fairer,
Jesus is purer;
He makes our sorrowing spirit sing.

3. Fair is the sunshine,
Fair is the moonlight,
Bright the sparkling stars on high;
Jesus shines brighter,
Jesus shines purer,
Than all the angels in the sky.

4. Beautiful Savior,
Lord of the nations,
Son of God and Son of Man!
Glory and honor,
Praise, adoration,
Now and forevermore be Thine!

The Lutheran Hymnal
Hymn #657 
Text: Ps. 45: 2
Author: unknown, 1677
Translated by: Joseph A. Seiss, 1873
Titled: "Schoenster Herr Jesu"
Tune: "Schoenster Herr Jesu"
1st Published in: "Schlesische Volkslieder"
Town: Leipzig, 1842




Sandusky labeled 'likely pedophile' in 1998 report - TODAY People - TODAY.com

Where is his counselor's report?


Sandusky labeled 'likely pedophile' in 1998 report - TODAY People - TODAY.com:


More than a decade before former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky was charged with more than 50 counts of child sex abuse, a psychologist warned university police that his actions fit that of a “likely pedophile’s pattern.”

The finding by State College, Pa., psychologist Dr. Alycia A. Chambers, the therapist for one of Sandusky’s alleged victims, was contained in the internal Penn State files of a 1998 police investigation of the former coach for showering and bear hugging her client and another young boy in the school’s athletic locker room.

The Sandusky Files: Read the 1998 police report
NBC News has obtained the complete file on the investigation – the police report and assessments by two psychologists who interviewed the boys -- which provides new details about Sandusky’s behavior. It also could raise fresh questions about how school and local authorities handled his case.

“There was very little doubt in my mind (Sandusky) … was a male predator, someone that was in the process of grooming a young man for abuse ,” said Chambers, speaking publicly for the first time, with the permission of her client’s family, in an interview with NBC News. “I thought…my report was strong enough to suggest that this was somebody who should be watched.”

The Sandusky Files: Child psychologist's report
Chambers’ detailed report is potentially significant because it was the first clear warning about the former Penn State coach’s actions – nearly four years before a then-graduate assistant, Mike McQueary, reported to the late Coach Joe Paterno and other top school officials that he had found Sandusky in the Penn State showers one evening with another young boy, engaged in what he viewed as sexual contact. (Paterno testified last year he was unaware of the 1998 investigation and Gary Schultz, the former Penn State vice president who oversaw the school police, testified that he never reviewed the details of the case. A Penn State spokesman declined comment, citing pending investigations.)
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In her interview with NBC News, Chambers described her anguish when she was contacted by police last year and learned that authorities were again investigating Sandusky for allegedly molesting multiple other boys, 13 years after she first raised her concerns.
“I was horrified to know that there were so many other innocent boys who had their hearts and minds confused, their bodies violated,” said Chambers. “It’s unspeakable.”


'via Blog this'

Robert Fleischmann, Church and Change, WELS.
Self-Perpetuating Money Machines

Non-profit organizations are profitable for staff and secretaries.
How many WELS pastors make $80,000 a year, own a huge home, and raise money for the babies?


bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Support Your CEO":

Norm Teigen on Christian Life Resources, Oct 14th, 2007:

http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2007/10/norm-teigen-on-christian-life-resources.html

I see the Christian Life Resources as a self-perpetuating organization without any control from a responsible church body. Christian Life Resources endorses an organization called Church and Change.

A pastor in my synod was accused of false doctrine for his stated intention of attending the Church and Chanage conference. The objectee also, apparently, said that the Wisconsin Synod has a false doctrine in its synod in Church and Change.

My suggestion is for the ELS to put Christian Life Resources and Church and Change under the microscope and advise the membership of its results.

Overhead view of Fleischmann home.

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GJ - Accord to John Brug's book, WELS pastors do not have doctrinal problems, so that ELS charge must be false, slanderous, and a violation of Matthew 18.


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Norman Teigen has left a new comment on your post "Robert Fleischmann, Church and Change, WELS.Self-P...":

Well, I had nearly forgotten about CLR. The ELS promotes this organization and I don't. I think that CLR must be hurting financially because its income is based on the discretionary spending capabilities of its adherents. With discretionary income reduced for individuals by the current economic condition, CLR will probably be experiencing a dip in income. The arguments based by CLR for its own existence are thin and poorly reasoned. The issues presented by CLR and its adherents would bind the consciences of the faithful to a secular and political agenda.

Another Eructation from Dork-o-Blog

Doctrinal DNA reveals that UOJ is indeed the father of Church Growth.




Anonymous said...
A little off topic.

Barf alert: original photo of Katy Perry,
Tim Glende's and Ski's trophy FB girl.

These are humiliating scenarios: two middle-aged, married pastors, posing with a barely dressed tart.
The photos are original, except for a little background font work.
You will see it in a minute.

I find his obsession with finding out who is running this site fascinating. Of course, he's thrown out his theories from time to time and seems to be sticking by his guess that it is Tim Glende right now. He acts as if it were a high crime that he's being criticized anonymously. Of course, the criticism of him and his teaching that is done here is mild in comparison to the daily, vicious rants that he posts against anyone who disagrees with him. I, for one, don't find it amazing that this site is run anonymously. I mean, who wants to have their face photoshopped into humiliating scenarios everyday on a a poorly written blog?

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Original photo posted in Facebook - Holy Word staff:
humiliating - for Holy Word.


GJ - Paul McCain and Jack Kilcrease--his Catholic theology expert--asked for Photoshops. McCain said he enjoyed them, and Kilcrease made suggestions for some.

Tim's specialty is scatology, which his buddies never decried because it is their style too.

Many readers enjoy the graphics, and four have contributed their own.

I notice that the party-boys of Appleton cannot produce anything positive on their blog. They simply repeat the same things, which only makes it easier to create more satire.

It is so appropriate that The CORE bought a bar, an ugly one at that. They did not belong in a former Lutheran church building. The movie theater was appropriate, especially since they initiated it by showing The Wizard of Oz.

"You dare offend the great and terrible Oz!?"

A Lamb Goes Uncomplaining Forth





"A Lamb Goes Uncomplaining Forth"
by Paul Gerhardt, 1607-1676

1. A Lamb goes uncomplaining forth,
The guilt of all men bearing;
And laden with the sins of earth,
None else the burden sharing!
Goes patient on, grow weak and faint,
To slaughter led without complaint,
That spotless life to offer;
Bears shame and stripes, and wounds and death,
Anguish and mockery, and saith,
"Willing all this I suffer."

2. This Lamb is Christ, the soul's great Friend,
The Lamb of God, our Savior;
Him God the Father chose to send
To gain for us His favor.
"Go forth, My Son," the Father saith,
"And free men from the fear of death,
From guilt and condemnation.
The wrath and stripes are hard to bear,
But by Thy Passion men shall share
The fruit of Thy salvation."

3. "Yea, Father, yea, most willingly
I'll bear what Thou commandest;
My will conforms to Thy decree,
I do what Thou demandest."
O wondrous Love, what hast Thou done!
The Father offers up His Son!
The Son, content, descendeth!
O Love, how strong Thou art to save!
Thou beddest Him within the grave
Whose word the mountains rendeth.

4. From morn till eve my theme shall be
Thy mercy's wondrous measure;
To sacrifice myself for Thee
Shall be my aim and pleasure.
My stream of life shall ever be
A current flowing ceaselessly,
Thy constant praise outpouring.
I'll treasure in my memory,
O Lord, all Thou hast done for me,
Thy gracious love adoring.

5. Of death I am no more afraid,
New life from Thee is flowing;
Thy cross affords me cooling shade
When noonday's sun is glowing.
When by my grief I am opprest,
On Thee my weary soul shall rest
Serenely as on pillows.
Thou art my Anchor when by woe
My bark is driven to and fro
On trouble's surging billows.

6. And when Thy glory I shall see
And taste Thy kingdom's pleasure,
Thy blood my royal robe shall be,
My joy beyond all measure.
When I appear before Thy throne,
Thy righteousness shall be my crown,-
With these I need not hide me.
And there, in garments richly wrought
As Thine own bride, I shall be brought
To stand in joy beside Thee.

The Lutheran Hymnal
Hymn #142
Text: Is. 53: 7
Author: Paul Gerhardt, 1648, cento
Translated by: composite
Titled: Ein Laemmlein geht
Tune: An Wasserfluessen Babylon
1st Published in: "Deutsch Kirchenamt"
Town: Strassburg, 1525


Historic St. John Lutheran Church, Milwaukee




rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "All Glory Laud and Honor":

Thanks for including photos of historic old St. John's in the last two hymn postings. However, the photos do not do justice to a walk around the exterior and a careful study of the interior. Last summer, a sightless friend of mine came along with me to the organ recital at St. John's. He was so impressed by every aspect of this beautiful old church. He climbed the staircase into the pulpit and went up into the wrap around balcony just to get an idea of the layout inside. So much of the architecture is a symbolic proclamation of the Gospel. The solid construction of these Gothic style churches is not just eye candy. My friend was also impressed with the solid brass eagle lectern and the marble baptismal font and the whole layout of the altar. What does a blind, agnostic, recovering Roman Catholic know that the promoters of stadium type mega churches do not know?



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GJ - The Wisconsin Sect pours money into a bar-church in Appleton, a short walk from another downtown WELS congregation, while ignoring the the Mother Church of its own history.

The Enthusiasts at the Love Shack hasten to announce absolution for heinous acts against defenseless children but nurses grudges against anyone who has questioned their precious Church Growth fad.

How Great Thou Art




O Lord my God, when I in awesome wonder
Consider all the works Thy hand hath made,
I see the stars, I hear the mighty thunder,
Thy pow'r throughout the universe displayed;

Then sings my soul, my Savior God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!
Then sings my soul, my Savior God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!

When through the woods and forest glades I wander
And hear the birds sing sweetly in the trees;
When I look down from lofty mountain grandeur,
And hear the brook, and feel the gentle breeze;

And when I think that God His Son not sparing,
Sent Him to die, I scarce can take it in--
That on the cross my burden gladly bearing,
He bled and died to take away my sin;

When Christ shall come with shout of acclamation
And take me home, what joy shall fill my heart!
Then I shall bow in humble adoration
And there proclaim, "My God, how great Thou art!

All Glory Laud and Honor




"All Glory, Laud, and Honor"
by St. Theodulph of Orleans, c. 821
Translated by John M. Neale, 1818-1866

1. All glory, laud, and honor
To Thee, Redeemer, King,
To whom the lips of children
Made sweet hosannas ring.
Thou art the King of Israel,
Thou David's royal Son,
Who in the Lord's name comest,
The King and Blessed One.

2. All glory, laud, and honor
To Thee, Redeemer, King,
To whom the lips of children
Made sweet hosannas ring.
The company of angels
Are praising Thee on high,
And mortal men and all things
Created make reply.

3. All glory, Iaud, and honor
To Thee, Redeemer, King,
To whom the lips of children
Made sweet hosannas ring.
The people of the Hebrews
With psalms before Thee went;
Our praise and prayer and anthems
Before Thee we present.

4. All glory, laud, and honor
To Thee, Redeemer, King,
To whom the lips of children
Made sweet hosannas ring.
To Thee, before Thy Passion,
They sang their hymns of praise;
To Thee, now high exalted,
Our melody we raise.

5. All glory, laud, and honor
To Thee, Redeemer, King,
To whom the lips of children
Made sweet hosannas ring.
Thou didst accept their praises;
Accept the prayers we bring,
Who in all good delightest,
Thou good and gracious King.

The Lutheran Hymnal
Hymn #160
Text: Matt 21:16
Author: St. Theodulph of Orleans, c. 821
Translated by: John M. Neale, 1854, alt.
Titled: Gloria, laus et honor
Composer: Melchior Teschner, 1613
Tune: Valet will ich dir geben


The Majority Rules on LaughQuest,
The Truth Rules Elsewhere

Rolf Preus imagines otherwise.


LPC has left a new comment on your post "Rolf Preus Ex Cathedra Trashes Sainted Pastor Vern...":

Rev. Preus makes the majority the determiner of truth but who else believes in UOJ except the Synodical Lutherans? The rest of Protestantism does not believe in this. So by his own judgement, UOJ is condemned.

Also he seems to have disregarded that when Luther broke from Rome, Luther and his Reformers were the minority. By that comment, he then acquits Rome of its false view of Justification.

LPC

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Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne,-
Yet that scaffold sways the future, and, behind the dim unknown,
Standeth God within the shadow, keeping watch above his own.
James Russell Lowell

Friday, March 23, 2012

Built on the Rock, the Church Does Stand




"Built on the Rock the Church doth Stand"
by Nicolai F.S. Grundtvig, 1783-1872
Translated by Carl Doving, 1867-1937

1. Built on the Rock the Church doth stand,
Even when steeples are falling;
Crumbled have spires in every land,
Bells still are chiming and calling,
Calling the young and old to rest,
But above all the soul distrest,
Longing for rest everlasting.

2. Surely in temples made with hands,
God, the Most High, is not dwelling;
High above earth His temple stands,
All earthly temples excelling.
Yet He whom heavens cannot contain
Chose to abide on earth with men,
Built in our bodies His temple.

3. We are God's house of living stones,
Builded for His habitation;
He through baptismal grace us owns
Heirs of His wondrous salvation.
Were we but two His name to tell,
Yet He would deign with us to dwell,
With all His grace and His favor.

4. Now we may gather with our King
E'en in the lowliest dwelling;
Praises to Him we there may bring,
His wondrous mercy forthtelling.
Jesus His grace to us accords;
Spirit and life are all His words;
His truth doth hallow the temple.

5. Still we our earthly temples rear
That we may herald His praises;
They are the homes where He draws near
And little children embraces.
Beautiful things in them are said;
God there with us His covenant made,
Making us heirs of His kingdom.

6. Here stands the font before our eyes
Telling how God did receive us;
The altar recalls Christ's sacrifice
And what His table doth give us;
Here sounds the Word that doth proclaim
Christ yesterday, today, the same,
Yea, and for aye our Redeemer.

7. Grant then, O God, where'er men roam,
That, when the church-bells are ringing,
Many in saving faith may come
Where Christ His message is bringing:
"I know Mine own, Mine own know Me;
Ye, not the world, My face shall see.
My peace I leave with you." Amen.

Hymn #467
The Lutheran Hymnal
Text: Eph. 2: 19-22
Author: Nicolai F.S. Grundtvig, 1837
Translated by: Carl Doving, 1909, alt.
Titled: "Kirken den er et gammelt Hus"
Composer: Ludvig M. Lindeman, 1871
Tune: "Kirken den er et"

Ride On, Ride On, In Majesty




"Ride On, Ride On, in Majesty"
by Henry H. Milman, 1791-1868

1. Ride on, ride on, in majesty!
Hark! all the tribes hosanna cry.
0 Savior meek, pursue Thy road,
With palms and scattered garments strowed.

2. Ride on, ride on, in majesty!
In lowly pomp ride on to die.
0 Christ, Thy triumphs now begin
O'er captive death and conquered sin.

3. Ride on, ride on, in majesty!
The angel armies of the sky
Look down with sad and wondering eyes
To see the approaching Sacrifice.

4. Ride on, ride on, in majesty!
Thy last and fiercest strife is nigh;
The Father on His sapphire throne
Expects His own anointed Son.

5. Ride on, ride on, in majesty!
In lowly pomp ride on to die.
Bow Thy meek head to mortal pain.
Then take, 0 Christ, Thy power and reign.

The Lutheran Hymnal
Hymn #162
Text: Matt.21:9
Author: Henry H. Milman, 1827, alt.
Tune: Winchester New
1st Published in: Musikalisches Handbuch
Town: Hamburg, 1690

Rolf Preus Ex Cathedra Trashes Sainted Pastor Vernon Harley

"Justification by faith?
Anathema sit! Anathema sit! Anathema sit!"


Rolf Preus: 

Please take to heart the fact that the pastors you have been listening to have broken with their brothers and stand alone in rejecting this biblical truth. For example, when Vernon Harley went off the deep end on this he persuaded not one of his brothers in the ministry to follow him. It was a very sad spectacle, Mr. Krohn, to see such a respected and beloved minister of the word soil himself and his reputation with false doctrine during what should have been his golden years. "Pride goes before the fall." It is plain old fashioned arrogance that drives men to reject this precious truth, as if they're right and all their brothers are wrong! Don't follow these men, Mr. Krohn. Remember Jesus' warning about the scribes and Pharisees!

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GJ - Pope Rolf has been taking charm lessons from Pope Paul the Unlearned. Both are infallible when they trash people ex cathedra. There is nothing wrong with identifying areas of disagreement, even when wrong, as Rolf and Paul often are. Their unholy zeal in personal attacks is a testimony to what UOJ has done for their personalities.

I see no evidence offered for Rolf's accusations against Pastor Harley.

No one agreed with Harley? Then why was he never charged? He did not leave Missouri, get kicked out of the Little Sect on the Prairie, or beg to get back into the LCMS - three notable events in Rolf's life.

One LCMS pastor said that at least 500 of his fellow pastors write as if UOJ never existed. I imagine they all agree with Harley.

Besides that, Concordia Publishing House is currently selling a KJV catechism with no UOJ in it.

Pope Paul the Unlearned is so busy trying to get me banished and silenced all over the Net. Why does he fail to censor the KJV catechism he sells?

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Rolf Preus Ex Cathedra Trashes Sainted Pastor Vern...":

Rolf Preus, "It is plain old fashioned arrogance that drives men to reject this precious truth, as if they're right and all their brothers are wrong."

Interesting that Pr. Preus would make an appeal to majority rule when his opposition to the Antichrist-ian dictatorial proclaimations of ELS President Moldstad was largely made alone and was certainly the singular dissenting voice during their convention.

The charge of arrogance is self indicting.

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Gausewitz was president of the Synodical Conference (tm), but managed to produce an enormously popular catechism that was used for decades in WELS and Missouri.

The issue is not whether something is a minority view, but Rolf is dead wrong on that point, too.

Confessedly, UOJ did not appear until the Age of Pietism, never became accepted dogma anywhere--including WELS--and faces considerable opposition today.

The best argument for UOJ dominance is its omnipresent teaching in apostate, mainline denominations and the Church of Rome. Everyone is forgiven, so let us all unite in our common confession of unfaith.

The mainline denominations and Rome outnumber the faithful in all denominations, so Rolf may have a point after all - but it is not the one he wants to make.

Decoding the Language:
The Bible Does Not Say "Justified by Grace"
Apart from Faith


I used to wonder why some people would say, in an angry and correcting voice, "We are justified BY GRACE through faith." They raised their voices for BY GRACE.

Justification by faith is the only meaning for justification in the Bible and in the Book of Concord.

The angry, corrective tone and the wording are clues that the person believes the entire world is absolved from sin, without faith. Everyone is already saved.

That is not quite Universalism. It is crypto-Universalism. The crypto-Calvinists did not say they were Calvinists. They taught on Lutheran faculties and ran Lutheran bookstores. But what they taught was a cloaked form of Calvinism.

Even Calvin was a crypto-Calvinist. He signed the Augsburg Confession, proving that subscribing to a Confession means nothing if one's teaching is contrary to it.

Joachim Westphal exposed the anti-Lutheran views of Calvin. If the WELS UOJ fanatics would read their own publications from NPH, they would learn that crypto-Calvinism is no longer crypto. That comment is found in the History of Pietism, published by NPH, in the introduction.

The crypto-Universalists do not call themselves Universalists. They deny the label but not the teaching. They teach Universalism when they say the entire world is absolved, forgiven of all sins, forgiven before birth, and saved - without the Word, without the Means of Grace, without faith. The crypto means they tack on "But you gotta believe this is true." Walther was their double-talking model.

Now that UOJ has been exposed for what it is, the crypto-Universalists want to claim justification by faith for their novel opinion and odious dogma. But their version of justification by faith is an act of the will, a decision, what the Arminians taught in reaction to Calvinism.

Thus they are caught in the vortex of Calvinism, merging the atonement with justification, while calling the efficacy of the Word in the Means of Grace "Calvinism." Their response in WELS, crafted by J. P. Meyer, is decision theology.

This could be called crypto-Universalism,
but it is also Decision Theology, Arminius'
answer to Calvin.
This is on page 95 of the new edition.


Labels do not mean much. That is why I prefer Church of the Augsburg Confession to the many labels of today. Luther called himself a Theologian of the Augsburg Confession, and so did the editors and authors of the Formula of Concord.

The UOJ Enthusiasts back away from "forgiven before  birth," which the early Robert Preus quoted with approval, from Eduard Preuss, who became a Roman Catholic. Born forgiven should be familiar to all WELS members and pastors, because J. P. Meyer endorsed that as well.

In the new version from NPH, this is on page 101.

The language of J. P. Meyer is close to Babtist expressions. They "make decisions" and "accept forgiveness." WELS Church and Changers feel right at home with Stetzer (Babtist), Andy Stanley (Babtist), and Rick Warren (Babtist). Missouri and WELS both invited Stetzer to lecture them, but the WELS COP finally got it called off. I believe Missouri backed away, too. Nevertheless, Church and Change denied they ever hired Stetzer, even though Stetzer blogged about it and published it on his schedule on the Net.

Apart from the bizarre claim of everyone in the world forgiven before birth, how far from synergism is Meyer? His scheme runs along the same lines:
  1. God has done all this.
  2. Now what will you do?
My favorite version of this came from a dinosaur book for children, written by Arminians and presented at a WELS Creation seminar:

"Now that you know the truth about dinosaurs, it is time to make a decision for Christ."

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AC V has left a new comment on your post "Decoding the Language: The Bible Does Not Say "Jus...":

Re: "I used to wonder why some people would say, in an angry and correcting voice, "We are justified BY GRACE through faith." They raised their voices for BY GRACE."

This is something I've noticed in regard to Holy Communion. Jesus tells us to receive his Supper because it is "for you, for the forgiveness of sins" (cf. Matthew 26:28). Martin Luther asks and answers in the Small Catechism:

Q: "What blessings do we receive through this eating and drinking?" A: That is shown us by these words, "Given and poured out for you for the forgiveness of sins." Through these words we receive forgiveness of sins, life and salvation in this sacrament. For where there is forgiveness of sins, there is also life and salvation.

And yet, in spite of clear Scripture testimony and the Lutheran Confessions of faith, WELS says we receive the "pledge of your forgiveness" (Christian Worship, p.36). You won't often hear WELS pastors talk in terms of the Lord's Supper actually delivering the forgiveness of sins. You'll hear about how it brings Christ's real presence to us or grace to us, but not explicit "forgiveness of sins." Why? Because that would undermine UOJ.

The latest example of this is in the April 2012 issue of Forward in Christ where Rev. Jon Zabell writes about Holy Communion - one in a series of articles on "sacramental living." The article is a fine testimony to the real presence of Christ's body and blood under the bread and wine. But he doesn't answer the question "Why should I care?" What does this have to do with "sacramental living"? He doesn't answer Luther's Small Catechism question that fights off Enthusiasm's worship practices and gives us what sacramental living really means: "What blessing do we receive through this eating and drinking?"

In a discussion of the Lord's Supper UOJ wants the emphasis to be on the Real Presence, not on the forgiveness of sins so that we don't receive the answer to the question "Why should I care"? Luther answers that question beautifully in "Against the Heavenly Prophets":

"If I now seek the forgiveness of sins, I do not run to the cross, for I will not find it given there. Nor must I hold to the suffering of Christ as Dr. Karlstadt trifles, in knowledge or remembrance, for I will not find it there either. But I will find in the sacrament or the gospel the word which distributes, presents, offers, and gives to me that forgiveness which was won on the cross" (AE 40:214).

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Add to my comments about Holy Communion delivering the forgiveness of sins, this confession from the Large Catechism:

"But here our wise spirits contort themselves with their great art and wisdom, crying out and bawling: How can bread and wine forgive sins or strengthen faith? Although they hear and know that we do not say this of bread and wine, because in itself bread is bread, but of such bread and wine as is the body and blood of Christ, and has the words attached to it. That, we say, is verily the treasure, and nothing else, through which such forgiveness is obtained. Now the only way in which it is conveyed and appropriated to us is in the words (Given and shed for you). For herein you have both truths, that it is the body and blood of Christ, and that it is yours as a treasure and gift" (The Sacrament of the Altar: 28-29). 

Pedophile Priests in Germany: 'Zero-Tolerance' Bishop Accused of Leniency - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Photo Gallery: 'Anger, Shame and Dismay'

Pedophile Priests in Germany: 'Zero-Tolerance' Bishop Accused of Leniency - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International:


A man with piercing blue eyes is putting flowers in the planters on the balcony of a retirement home. Father V. sits up and carefully pulls off his dirt-covered plastic gloves. "Many see me as the gardener here," he says.

In 1994, he was convicted on 28 counts of sexual abuse of minors in the Trier diocese and given a two-year suspended sentence. Despite the conviction, he remained a priest and, in 1996, he was simply transferred to a congregation in Ukraine. There, he says, he abused more minors.
V. is now 72. "I can only compare it to alcoholism," he says quietly with his arms folded over his chest and shaking hands. "It's like an addiction," he adds, "a sort of schizophrenia in which you switch off entire parts of your consciousness."

Nevertheless, he once again has access to minors since children regularly visit his places of work, a retirement home and a clinic in the Trier diocese. V. says he is abstinent. But when asked whether he is cured, he takes a deep breath and says, "No. It remains part of one's personality," adding that he shouldn't have accepted his new position.

Not Practicing What Is Preached

With this insight, the offender is further along than his superior, Stephan Ackermann, the bishop of the Trier diocese, in southwestern Germany near the border with France. Ackermann has been the spokesman on abuse issues for the German Bishops' Conference for more than two years. He promised "unrestrained investigation" of abuse scandals. Ackermann, who preaches a "culture of attentiveness" and a "zero-tolerance policy" toward offenders, wants to be the church's trustworthy point of contact for abused souls.

However, it would seem that this zero-tolerance policy doesn't apply in his own diocese. In January, Ackermann had to issue a public apology after failing to immediately suspend a suspected pedophile priest in 2011. Now SPIEGEL has obtained information about seven other cases of priests in the bishop's diocese who are suspected of having abused minors.

One priest, a teacher at a boarding school on the Saar River, allegedly had sexual relations with one of his students for years and is now a parish priest in the Trier diocese. Two of his fellow priests were convicted of possession of child pornography and now work as religious officials in hospitals. Another priest was allowed to return to celebrating Mass at the end of last year, even though he had just been suspended in March 2011. He is also accused of several cases of abuse for which the statute of limitations has already expired.

The treatment of problematic ministers is similar in many cases: The presumed offenders are reported to the authorities for suspected sexual assault or are encouraged to turn themselves in. Then, they are given a suspended sentence. After that, they are permitted to return to service within the Church. They are often assigned to hospitals or retirement homes as well as permitted to assist in the surrounding communities.

Father M., for example, is a hospital pastor and can also work as a so-called "facilitator" -- or assistant parish priest -- in the churches of a small city in the southwestern state of Saarland. In 1995, he was convicted on 40 counts of sexual assault. But now he is once again responsible for celebrating Mass as well as for presiding over baptisms, weddings and funerals. "Yes, of course there are also children and adolescents at such events," says his superior, the dean. But, he adds, Father M. is not assigned to work with children and youth.

Choosing the Lenient Route

The Church has many ways to protect priests convicted of abuse while still taking the fears of believers seriously. It can remove offenders from their positions or send them to monasteries, or it can put them to work in Catholic libraries or in administrative positions.

But the Trier diocese prefers to take a more lenient route. Father W. is a case in point. Several years ago, the priest, now 48, assaulted several minors. "We picked up our children after a prayer weekend," says the father of one child. "They were supposed to be preparing for communion at the mission house." His 9-year-old son was distraught, but, after some hesitation, he told his father that he had been forced to take his pants off. The father says the priest told his son and the other boys to "pull everything down!" Then, according to the boy, the priest put the boys over his knee one by one and spanked them on their naked behinds. "The children's feelings of anger and shame are immense," says the boy's father.

W. was ordered to pay a fine, but he was allowed to continue working in another congregation. "It was not sexual abuse," he insists. He was told not to work with children and young people, but he apparently ignored the instruction. "He was very much involved with the altar boys and girls," says a priest from the local church administration. "That, of course, was contrary to the agreements."

Today, W. is a pastor at a hospital in Saarland, where children are both patients and visitors. "You're powerless against the Church's determination to cover things up," says the father of the boy who was abused by Father W. with resignation.

Criticizing Double Standards

Alarmed by the many signs of abuse within the diocese, Thomas Schnitzler, a historian who had been abused as a child, contacted other victims. Then, last year, he set up a research network with Claudia Adams and Hermann Schell.

The trio began their research where the diocese had stopped. They searched for witnesses in congregations, spent many hours in archives, compared data, and spoke with victims and their relatives. They publish their results on two websites, "MissBiT" and "Schafsbrief." "Nothing more than pseudo-investigations are conducted in Trier," Adams concludes. Secular teachers or social workers can expect to be barred from their professions if they are convicted of abuse, says Schnitzler, "but Ackermann allows former and potential offenders to continue working as priests." The risks to which he exposes children, Schnitzler adds, are "absolutely unjustifiable."

When Germany was rocked by revelations of a growing number of abuse cases more than two years ago, Ackermann, the bishop of Trier, was seen as the ideal man to re-establish confidence in the clergy. As one of the youngest members of the German Bishops' Conference, he was viewed as someone who represented the Church's desire to look into and resolve the abuse scandals.

But now he faces a firestorm of criticism. At a recent and emotionally charged event in Trier, even Church employees turned against their bishop. Jutta Lehnert, the spiritual director of Trier's Catholic Students' Association, told Ackermann in no uncertain terms: "The power structures in the Church must be carefully scrutinized," adding that they amount to "an open barn door for sexual predators."

Ursula Kaspar, a hospital chaplain from Saarbrücken, is sharply critical of the double standards applied to priests. She points out that, while people who were divorced and then remarried lose their right to be employed within the Church, pedophile priests with a criminal record apparently have no trouble retaining the right to continued employment. "This is indefensible," she says. Kaspar herself is one of more than 40 full-time and volunteer employees of the Catholic Church in the Trier diocese who have formed the "Saarbrücken Initiative," which aims to get local religious bodies to devote more attention to abuse issues.

Ackermann has defended himself by saying that he didn't know what to do with the offenders and by pointing out that there couldn't be a "Guantanamo for Church offenders." Their "limited deployment under certain conditions is possible," the diocese has now stated, although it is unwilling to say how many people could be affected by the policy.

Feeling Abandoned by the Church

However, the bishop recently proved to be particularly indulgent in the part of his diocese located in the nearby state of Saarland. In January 2011, the police informed his office that a pastor from Saarbrücken, the state capital, had allegedly abused minors.

According to the guidelines of the German Bishops' Conference, prompt action must be taken in such suspected cases, and the priest in question can be suspended until the accusations have been cleared up. But, despite these guidelines, and despite his status as the Church's spokesman on abuse issues, Ackermann allowed the suspected pedophile to remain in office. The priest continued to celebrate Mass and even held a dedication ceremony for a Catholic kindergarten in the summer. In the fall, another ceremony was held to mark his 70th birthday.

"We were appalled by the case," says Heiner Buchen, a pastoral assistant in Saarbrücken. "Why didn't the diocese management intervene immediately?" The diocese didn't even notify the alleged abuser's immediate supervisor, he notes. After experiencing an initial "state of shock," Buchen says he organized a meeting attended by 35 despondent Church employees. They wrote the bishop a letter about their "deep emotional and pastoral irritation, as well as anger, shame and dismay" over the handling of abuse cases in the diocese.

Instead of taking up the case, the central office of Ackermann's diocese initially reprimanded the critics and stated that they were to refrain from taking such actions in future. As a result, many victims and parishioners -- and even the priests in question -- feel abandoned by the Church.
Ignoring Victims' Interests

In conversation, Father V. repeatedly pauses for longer periods of time as he stares at the flowers he has planted in front of the retirement home. "This proclivity is something that is destroying me, down to the deepest depths of my soul," he suddenly says. "I just want to shout, even to God: Why did you allow this?" In his view, there is only one solution for pedophiles like him: radical separation from children. Unfortunately, he adds, it took him a very long time to realize this.

He says his superiors meant well when they tried to transfer him to a German-language congregation abroad. In the end, however, their efforts were self-serving. "Their perspective was one-sided," he says, "and directed not toward the interests of the victims, but toward those of the Church."

Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan


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Thursday, March 22, 2012

Missouri Demonstrates How Synods Grab Property:
No Relief from Waltherian Matt Harrison?

At Home in the Hoosegow of My Fathers
Walther left Europe early to escape arrest warrants for kidnapping.
Zion reports that other minor children, including girls, were also smuggled to  America.


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It looks like the ULC chapel sale was a secret work in progress at the district level ever since 2001. Up to that year the Southern MN District held the deed, paid the property expenses, and paid for the chaplain. Then in 2001 an agreement was struck whereby the congregation became tenants who paid $42,000 in rent to the district, and the congregation paid the campus pastor. So the district in 2011 sold the building out from under the congregation based on the false charges that ULC was a bad tenant because they installed a washer and dryer and rented out space w/o authorization and kept the money. One can see the district was hoping to sell the building to real estate developers for an entire decade:

http://stand-firm.blogspot.com/2012/03/districts-gone-bad.html

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GJ - Walther was an Antinomian legalist. He had a law for everyone except himself. The Saxon society got out of its financial crisis by robbing their bishop and sending to Illinois at gunpoint. Zion on the Mississippi says they all knew Stephan was a serial adulterer.

Today the Olde Synodical Conference claims that the Great Walther handled the matter well.

Fake-o-Bod Tim
"Jackson and his ilk will try all they want to discredit the WELS in connection with Joel Hochmuth's arrest. But WELS has handled the situation well." Yes, it sounds familiar - same UOJ DNA.

The UOJ Position Was Refuted Shortly after the Book of Concord


The UOJ advocates are sad because their favorite, Tom Hardt, mistakenly quoted P. Leyser, an editor of the Book of Concord, an expert on justification and the biographer of Martin Chemnitz.

The material in the two graphics is from Tom Hardt's essay in the festschrift volume given to Robert Preus.

Leyser and his associates made it clear, as Luther did, that Christ acquired all righteousness, but that this righteousness comes to us only through faith. UOJ fanatics pursue their delirium even farther than Knapp did at Halle University. That does not make them more orthodox but more false.

Leyser continued the work of the Harmony of the Gospels, which Chemnitz began and Gerhard finished - a monumental work of scholarship. Leyer's orthodox Lutheran credentials are impeccable, including members of his own family. He was fruitful (polykarp in Greek), and there was a Polykarp II, III, and IV.



Wikipedia on P. Leyser the Elder:


Supported by his father, his uncle Andreae and later his stepfather Osiander, and also with input from his teacher Martin Chemnitz, Leyser came to have an ingrained support for Lutheran orthodoxy - indeed, at a difficult time for Lutheranism, he was one of those who founded that orthodoxy. In the creative force of his Loci theologici (1591/92), Harmonia evangelica (1593), Postilla (1593) and De controversiis iudicium (1594), his theological position was forged by the dispute sparked by (Crypto-)Calvinism in Saxony, by the 'Exorzismusstreit', by the difficulties over Lutheran Christology and by Huber's debate. Leyser is thus to be accounted one of the key figures of the Lutheran concord in northern and central Germany and was constantly attacked in pamphlets as the 'pope of Dresden'. As one of the key movers behind the Formula of Concord, he used his books to defend Lutheran orthodoxy and attack Catholicism and Calvinism, was commissioned by the elector to join several of the meetings which led to the Book of Concord and advocated that the number of sponsors be limited to three people.

He wrote more than sixty theological works and an extensive corpus of sermons. He also dealt with the literary controversies of his time, cultivating an extensive correspondence of 200 written by him and 5000 written to him - an extensive selection from it was first published by his great-grandson Polycarp Leyser III as Sylloge epistolarum in 1706....


On 3 February he was formally inducted into his role at Wittenberg. Leyser then made quick trip from Dresden to Austria to "pick up his bags". On 12 May he was back in Wittenberg and took up his official duties, aged only 25. Such a young man holding the highest church office in Wittenberg, before even being noticed in theological circles in Saxony, attracted much attention and some imputed his appointment to nepotism - until 8 June he was not even a professor of the theology department and until 20 November 1577 not a member of the consistory.

However, Leyser's calming of the situation after the expulsion of the Crypto-Calvinists and the reorganisation of the university was so successful that his critics were soon silenced. He was best served by his rhetorical skills and by an undemanding and reliable character, increasing his popularity among his students, including Philipp Nicolai and Johann Arndt. Leyser's skills were also seen in the drafting of the Formula of Concord and the publication of the Book of Concord in 1580. He developed close links with Martin Chemnitz and Nikolaus Selnecker. Leyser and Selnecker were asked to sign up to a Commission in Saxony on the Formula, that Leyser himself had signed on 25 June 1577 as first minister.

He immediately took part in the important theological meetings in Saxony, acting as their recording secretary. The inhabitants of Wittenberg always saw him as an outsider, however, and acted as a thorn in his side. To neutralise this he married a local girl in March 1580, namely Elisabeth, daughter of the painter Lucas Cranach the Younger. The marriage took place in the Wittenberger Rathaus and was overshadowed by student rioting and heavy drinking, which the town authorities had to deal with later.

Tim Glende Slanders People by Name - Anonymousely:
Anxious about WELS Loathing of His Tactics?



Tim Glende:
On the Luther Quest (www.lutherquest.org) discussion forum, there has been a thread the past few days focusing on objective justification. Mr. Joe Krohn, a gullible disciple of the false prophet Gregory L. Jackson, is trying to convince the participants of LQ that universal objective justification is not only un-scriptural, but un-Lutheran. He is offering ridiculous arguments and receiving at times ridiculous responses. There have been some good responses to Krohn's silly arguments, which he undoubtedly is being spoon fed from Dr. Greg Jackson. It's sad, though, that Mr. Krohn continues to be deceived by Jackson. He also continues to contradict the clear confession of his own new church body, the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod.

We want to share with you some quotes from Martin Luther himself that proves Luther taught universal objective justification. We thank Mr. Timothy Blank for sharing these on LQ:

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GJ - Tim Glende has been known as a bully, ever since college. He also has a big problem with slandering people by name while hiding behind anonymity. He did that before, aiming at a lady in his own synod and Brett Meyer, under the guise of Anonymouse, which is what I called him before he gave himself away. He and his buddies seldom post to my blog now, because I can look at the map and see who is reading the blog and sending a comment.

Glende copies everything. He is famous for plagiarizing Groeschel, denying it, and excommunicating his own member, who patiently proved the case beyond a reasonable doubt. Glende's laziness is shown by his need to copy Timothy Blank's quotations, which are also copied from UOJ talking points.

Let detail some facts about Glende's latest slander:

  • Joe Krohn is not my disciple. He is not even a member of my congregation.
  • Joe is not gullible. He is quite intelligent, a requirement for his job, and does research on his own.
  • Glende claims, without support, that I am "undoubtedly" spoon feeding arguments to Joe. In fact, Joe writes his own material, unlike Glende, who cannot write, spell, or form a rational argument.
  • The LCMS does not have a "clear confession" of UOJ. Concordia Publishing House prints a KJV catechism that contains not a word about UOJ. I just bought one. Tim could buy a few with a Thrivent grant.
Tim pretends to be sad, but we heard about that emotion before, probably copied from a recent Oprah show. Tim invented a comment in Brett Meyer's name, then claimed he was sad about the remark he invented. When Brett told Tim to remove the falsehood and proved his identity, Tim refused to remove it.  The false comment is still on his blog - here.

Brett responded -

Brett Meyer said...
I am requesting your consideration. Please remove the comment that someone left in my name. I assure you that I didn't write the comment. I stand by everything that I've written and posted on the internet and have linked to most of it at one time or another so anyone interested can see the context in which it was written and consider my opinions and confession. Since you disagree with my opinions and confession written elsewhere there's no need to maintain a false impersonation of my statements. Just let my confession speak for itself.
Thank you,
Brett Meyer
November 9, 2011 8:22 PM

Real Ichabod said...
We won't be removing your comment, Brett, or whoever you are. How do we know you're the real Brett Meyer? Maybe the fake Brett wants us to remove the comment. No, it will stay, since the original comment is consistent with what you have written previously.

Joe wrote to Tim before:

Please don't pray for me. You are of another spirit that you revealed in a comment concerning our excommunication. And like the cowards you are and continue to be, you deleted it. You have bigger problems than Dr. Jackson. If I can't think for myself, then neither can the Intrepids since they are confessing said same. Why don't you attend to your own WELS house instead of being concerned with those outside of your fellowship who really have no say in the matter.

Joe Krohn

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GJ - If anyone asks me, I suggest not bothering with McCain, Glende, or Steadfast Enthusiasts. They are Waltherian in their duplicity, divisiveness, and Enthusiasm. Below is the real Katy Perry, someone Tim posed with so he could display his trophy on Facebook. His pal Ski did the same thing.

Katy Perry without makeup.


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Lito Cruz, PhD, sent this comment:

I see that Fake-Ichabod Tim quoted Luther there. This quote is allusion to the St. John passage, but the UOJ thinks that when Luther says forgiven, he thinks that is UOJ, but clearly Luther was speaking about it in the sense of the atonement. So it means paid for, in fact he even uses remit.

My conclusion is that Luther's quotes are being taken and must be taken with a tweak to support UOJ but entirely based on the BoC and how the BoC authors presented Luther's thoughts clearly now rejects that UOJ notion. For it stands to reason that since they claim Luther taught this, the BoC authors should have presented it that way in no uncertain terms. Yet they themselves conclude that the BoC does not have UOJ in it. 

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GJ - Reading comprehension is lacking among the UOJ Enthusiasts, so they do not grasp the distinction between the atonement and justification by faith.

O Word of God Incarnate



1. O Word of God Incarnate, O Wisdom from on high,
O Truth unchanged, unchanging, O Light of our dark sky,
We praise Thee for the radiance That from the hallowed page,
A lantern to our footsteps Shines on from age to age.

2. The Church from her dear Master Received the gift divine,
And still that light she lifteth O'er all the earth to shine.
It is the golden casket Where gems of truth are stored;
It is the heaven-drawn picture Of Christ, the living Word.

 3 It floateth like a banner Before God’s host unfurled
It shineth like a beacon Above the darkling world;
It is the chart and compass That o’er life surging sea,
Mid mists and rocks and quicksands Still guides, O Christ, to Thee.

 4 Oh, make Thy Church, dear Savior, A lamp of burnished gold
To bear before the nations Thy true light as of old!
Oh, teach Thy wand’ring pilgrims By this their path to trace
Till, clouds and darkness ended, They see Thee fact to face!




William W. How, Anglican Bishop, wrote:
O Word of God Incarnate,
For All the Saints,
Jesus Name of Wondrous Love,
We Give Thee But Thine Own.

Joe Krohn in the Lions' Jackals' Den




Mr. Pierce, nice to see you again. Here is what precedes your Colossians quote...again all this in the context of faith:

"Alive in Christ

6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.

8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits[a] of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead."

I have been witnessing to a co-worker. He tells me he believes in God and he hopes to get to heaven. I made the mistake of telling him his sins are forgiven in Christ instead of convicting him of his lascivious living. He thought he was golden and continued on in his life perversely. I have seen a change come in him now since I have been leading with the law. This is where I am coming from. Even the devil believes in God and the forgiveness of sins...but if there is no faith, it is in vain.

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GJ - The debate continues on LaughQuest, with the UOJ Stormtroopers digging up "proof" that all unbelievers are forgiven, without the Word, without the Means of Grace, without faith.

Joe has made an important point, which I have considered many times. Various people have contacted me about being abused by WELS, and I know of many cases in the LCMS as well.

UOJ is ideal for making people think they can do anything the Old Adam wants, because "I know I am a sinner and I know I am forgiven."

This false doctrine has been fatal for many clergy, whether it has been the path of alcohol abuse, adultery, embezzling, or murder. The hierarchy has an easy excuse for their pals, especially their classmates.

The clergy have learned they can do anything, even against minor children in their own congregation, and it will be absolved and denied at the same time. Murder? Just concoct a feeble lie and the abusive synod will provide backers and a call to another state.

In WELS a teacher can murder his wife, lie about it, do a few years in prison, marry his children's baby-sitter, and lead a youth group in WELS after getting out of the hoosegow. That happened at ALA, which also gave birth to Jeff Gunn's CrossWalk.

But they also know there is One Sin they cannot commit--The Synodical Sin Against the Holy Spirit--criticizing the apostasy of the organization.

In WELS, the Church and Changers have been welcome to savage people and practices they want destroyed, so even the One Sin is a matter of nuance, subtlety, and Jesuit logic.

There are two groups of victims. Many souls are hardened and blinded by the anti-Christian UOJ propaganda, which comforts unrepentant sinners. UOJ sends many to Hell this way - but they know they are guilt-free saints in Hades, so there is a good side to Walther's Halle dogma.

The other group consists of those who do not realize what the cult is doing to them. They have Stockholm Synod Syndrome. After many years of abuse they still crave the abusers and want their love and attention. They are deeply conflicted because many in their family are still loyal. They listen to the double-talk, from the Synod President on down, about Biblical principles.

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An excerpt from Luther's discussion of what 1 Peter 2: 21-22 has wrought:

[I]ndeed, the ecclesiasts distribute their own merits and works. Oh, shameful abomination, that in the temple of God and in the Christian Church must be taught things which make wholly insignificant the sufferings and death of Christ.