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| Chemnitz associated faith, justification, and election. Walther divorced faith from justification. Kilcrease separates grammar from the English language. |
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 6, 2013
To Reject Objective Justification is to Reject Election
I was looking at the Intrepid Lutherans blog earlier today (which has now pretty much turned into Paul Rydecki's own personal soap box) and I noticed a curious thing: LPC (a follower of Gregory Jackson) finally has let the cat out of the bag on election. He doesn't believe in it! Jackson and him have insinuated this in the past, but I've never been able to get a straight answer out of them. Here is the statement:
"If I may, I wish to add what I view as the arrogance of C F W Walther when it came to the doctrine of election. Apparently his opponents kept on quoting to him the writings of the BoC writers. Here is what he had to say...
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Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "More Eructations from Jack Kilcrease - Illiterate ...":
Ichabod -
After reading Kilcrease's ambiguous piece on his website; I can understand why you titled this web article posting as such. I asked myself: "Did CPH'S McCain (aka, "McNasty") share too much of his mother Mary lactation milk with Kilcrease?"
Kilcrease's mistake is to attempt to reason with the Lord's grace of election. He attempts to explain the atonement and justification by faith alone; and, in the process to slight Dr. Gregory Jackson and the honorable Dr. Lito Cruz. I think that Kilcrease ends up putting words in Dr. Cruz's mouth.
Why can't these universal objective justification enthusiasts accept the atonement for what it is; and, also that a man is justified by faith alone? Why do they feel they must side step simple and direct Scripture and inject their own reasonings therein?
I like what Dr. Cruz stated some time ago. I included some of his comments in my topical message of, "Cheap Grace is a Worthless Substitute for a Faith That Saves:"
<<<<<<< ....... "That is what the UOJ [universal objective justification] preacher is saying. However, the Law condemns and says you are guilty and deserve to die as penalty for your sins. The Gospel says Jesus paid for your sins, The Law demands death, the Gospel says yes, death has been paid for. This is totally different from the UOJ Gospel, for them the Gospel skips the payment aspect and jumps over to forgiveness, skipping past what actually the Law demands - payment. In short, for them the Gospel is - God has already forgiven you.
It is not Jesus died for you, rather it is God has already forgiven you. So in UOJ, [universal objective justification] faith is not trust but mere assent to historical fact which they alleged to have already occurred, the blanket forgiveness of all sins without regard to faith. It is then the faith of the devil.
Just like Calvinism, they collapse the atonement for sins and justification or forgiveness of sins as one single event."
Answering the same person on his website, "LPC" also states:
"It is Jesus who says only those who believe will be saved, hence forgiven. In your case even those who do not believe are already forgiven and thus saved since faith had nothing to do with it (so you think),......Your mistake is that though Christ merited righteousness for all men, you think thereby, that automatically implies that this righteousness has already been transferred to all men without regard to faith......" - LPC - "Extra Nos" - "It's Outside Us" - extranos.blogspot.com/2012/06/
http://www.thechristianmessage.org/2012/06/cheap-grace-is-worthless-substitute-for.html
Nathan M. Bickel
www.thechristianmessage.org
www.moralmatters.org
"If I may, I wish to add what I view as the arrogance of C F W Walther when it came to the doctrine of election. Apparently his opponents kept on quoting to him the writings of the BoC writers. Here is what he had to say...
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Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "More Eructations from Jack Kilcrease - Illiterate ...":
Ichabod -
After reading Kilcrease's ambiguous piece on his website; I can understand why you titled this web article posting as such. I asked myself: "Did CPH'S McCain (aka, "McNasty") share too much of his mother Mary lactation milk with Kilcrease?"
Kilcrease's mistake is to attempt to reason with the Lord's grace of election. He attempts to explain the atonement and justification by faith alone; and, in the process to slight Dr. Gregory Jackson and the honorable Dr. Lito Cruz. I think that Kilcrease ends up putting words in Dr. Cruz's mouth.
Why can't these universal objective justification enthusiasts accept the atonement for what it is; and, also that a man is justified by faith alone? Why do they feel they must side step simple and direct Scripture and inject their own reasonings therein?
I like what Dr. Cruz stated some time ago. I included some of his comments in my topical message of, "Cheap Grace is a Worthless Substitute for a Faith That Saves:"
<<<<<<< ....... "That is what the UOJ [universal objective justification] preacher is saying. However, the Law condemns and says you are guilty and deserve to die as penalty for your sins. The Gospel says Jesus paid for your sins, The Law demands death, the Gospel says yes, death has been paid for. This is totally different from the UOJ Gospel, for them the Gospel skips the payment aspect and jumps over to forgiveness, skipping past what actually the Law demands - payment. In short, for them the Gospel is - God has already forgiven you.
It is not Jesus died for you, rather it is God has already forgiven you. So in UOJ, [universal objective justification] faith is not trust but mere assent to historical fact which they alleged to have already occurred, the blanket forgiveness of all sins without regard to faith. It is then the faith of the devil.
Just like Calvinism, they collapse the atonement for sins and justification or forgiveness of sins as one single event."
Answering the same person on his website, "LPC" also states:
"It is Jesus who says only those who believe will be saved, hence forgiven. In your case even those who do not believe are already forgiven and thus saved since faith had nothing to do with it (so you think),......Your mistake is that though Christ merited righteousness for all men, you think thereby, that automatically implies that this righteousness has already been transferred to all men without regard to faith......" - LPC - "Extra Nos" - "It's Outside Us" - extranos.blogspot.com/2012/06/
http://www.thechristianmessage.org/2012/06/cheap-grace-is-worthless-substitute-for.html
Nathan M. Bickel
www.thechristianmessage.org
www.moralmatters.org
