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| Emergent Church (CrossWalk with Gunn, The CORE with Ski and Glende) is a natural outgrowth of UOJ. Buchholz and the WELS COP lub, lub, lub Emergent Church - and UOJ. Buchholz now sits with Gunn at all conferences . (Dabbing tears of laughter from my eyes, just so I can type this.) |
David Boisclair has left a new comment on your post "David Boisclair, STM, Assigns Dr. Luther, Melancht...":
The action of publicly lobbing obscenities at CFW Walther above in this thread is shamelessly evil. The desire here is to rekindle the "war" between the Ohio Synod and the Synodical Conference in some way or another. I imagine that we might hear the advocacy of "election in view of final faith" before too long. Someone would do the Church a service in untangling the convoluted thinking going on here. It is pitiful.
[GJ - Judging intentions while lobbing condemnations?]
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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Another Plea for UOJ: Tragedy, Pity, Incomplete Se...":
It is amusing that Rev. Boisclair thinks this UOJ controversy is just a matter of words. Robert Preus prior to writing his book Justification and Rome taught that it was not just a matter of words. Their LC-MS self appointed fidei difensor - Jack Kilcrease says that to deny OJ (UOJ) is to deny election. So this is not just a matter of words, because words carry meaning.
What should fence sitters do should be to go back to the sources, go back to the Bible to check out if the UOJ passages teach UOJ (but they don't)! Then go back to the BoC and try to find it there.
If I remember correctly, I believe at one time Kilcrease followed the Roman Catholic method of stating that UOJ as a concept is in Scripture in kernel form. This is the same way the RC theologians justify the Assumption of Mary. They say it is there in kernel form though Scripture has no explicit statements to that effect.
In my observation, anti-UOJers left UOJ because of Scripture. They left when they carefully examined the evidences alleged to support UOJ from Scripture and they found it to be wanting.
Some 5 years ago, in the Internet world I knew of no one who openly opposed it except Ichabod. Yet it was after examining Scripture that convinced me that the Scriptures given to adduce UOJ are complete mishandling of the the Scripture text. I even went to the Marquart paper and read it quite a bit. I liken that paper to coercing UOJ into Scripture and it raised more issues that it tries to solve. It was a damage control document to me.
It was not the Bible teaching it (UOJ), it was philosophy.
LPC
[GJ - Marquart's key authority is the Pietist Rambach, who repeated the Huber universal absolution that Stephan and Walther followed. Jay Webber argues that Easter absolution must be correct, because Marquart said so. Thus Americans have unknowingly signed a quia subscription to Pietism that sets aside the Scriptures and the Confessions.]
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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Another Plea for UOJ: Tragedy, Pity, Incomplete Se...":
The contradictions within the doctrine of Universal Objective Justification (UOJ), regardless of the version (and there are many), are the only things that remain consistent. The discussion with Rev. Boisclair was a classic example of most discussions with UOJ fanatics. It was also excellent training, UOJ-101 if you will, for those who are just waking up to the massive, soul destroying fraud that the rational false gospel is.
It is no wonder that UOJists are unable to articulate clear confessions of what they believe and what their false gospel teaches. Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Take faithful Pastor Paul Rydecki who was recently excommunicated by (W)ELS DP Jon Buchholz for teaching that men are Justified solely by faith in Christ alone. His written and spoken confession is clear, concise and direct because he, being led by the Holy Spirit, confesses the one true Gospel of Christ. Those who confess the false gospel of UOJ are unable to contradict themselves because it is the nature of the false teaching. UOJ fence sitters have the same problem because they remain sympathetic toward the rational mammon of the Lutheran Synods.
No surprise that DP Jon Buchholz remains faithful to UOJ by holding the same position as the Antichrist of the Roman Catholic Church - anathema upon anyone who teaches men are Justified solely by Faith in Christ alone.
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Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "Another Plea for UOJ: Tragedy, Pity, Incomplete Se...":
Ichabod -
The synodical Lutheran Universalists with their "objective justification" are forced to be schizophrenic. They are boxed into a Scriptural corner by virtue of their confusion of the Atonement. Hence, they will only extend (feigned) lip service to faith, the Holy Spirit and the Spirit's operation of initiating and cultivating saving faith in the life of the believer, through the means of grace. They won't admit it; but, I believe for many of them, they despise Scripture's teaching of "justification by faith alone" and Luther's treatise of "Bondage of the Will."
Having stated the above, I believe that those who subscribe to "universal objective justification" are those who have a very tough time accepting other Scriptural realities, - such as eternal damnation for those who do not possess saving faith.
Nathan M. Bickel
www.thechristianmessage.org
www.moralmatters.org
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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Another Plea for UOJ: Tragedy, Pity, Incomplete Se...":
Read the UOJ discussion with Rev. Boisclair on Intrepid Lutherans blog. You will see that, in classic UOJ fashion, he never addresses the exposure of his false statements and fraudulent use of Scripture to defend the forgiveness of sins without faith. There is also a pronounced change in his articulation toward the end of the discussion - more robotic and reducing his responses to blunt repeat-after-me UOJ statements. It's a shame UOJists generally refuse to discuss their chief doctrine publicly. It's astonishing what they end up exposing when they attempt to defend it.
To reduce the eternal enmity between UOJ and Justification solely by Faith in Christ alone to "simply talking past each other" is to completely overlook the excommunication of faithful Pastor Paul Rydecki from the (W)ELS by DP Jon Buchholz in 2012 and the excommunication of the Kokomo families by the (W)ELS.
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David Boisclair has left a new comment on your post "David Boisclair, STM, Assigns Dr. Luther, Melancht...":
For the record, Gentlemen, I do not assign Dr. Luther, Philipp Melanchthon, or Dr. Chemnitz to hell. Thanks.
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David Boisclair has left a new comment on your post "Another Plea for UOJ: Tragedy, Pity, Incomplete Se...":
Oh, and one thing more: I did not wish to hide behind a pseudonymn in posting my comments on Intrepid Lutherans. If one follows my comments they will note that I have put my actual name on at least one of those comments. They will also notice that I changed my blogging name to my actual name. "Clearwood" is the English translation of my French surname.
