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Monday, November 11, 2013

Confusion Reigns on SpenerQuest about Grace and Faith.
Confidential to LQ - Ed Preuss Became the Catholic He Always Was

Cascione and his pig-stealing friend McCain
love this passage from Preuss.
McCain makes Cascione seem charming and honest,
a good reason to keep the editor around.

McCain used to hang with the Cascione gang,
but they read Ichabod once. They realized
they were linking Paul's plagiarized Catholic Encyclopedia articles.
SpenerQuest is very sharp on doctrine!

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Brett Meyer (Brett_meyer)
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Eduard Preuss - The Justification of the Sinner before God

"So, then, we are reconciled (2 Cor. 5:18); however, not only we, but also Hindus, and Hottentots and Kafirs, yes, the world (2 Cor. 5:19). “Reconciled,” says our translation; the Greek original says: “placed in the right relation to God.” Because before the Fall we, together with the whole creation, were in the right relation to God, therefore Scripture teaches that Christ, through His death, restored all things to the former right relation to God. We, then, are redeemed from the guilt of sin; the wrath of God is appeased; all creation is again under the bright rays of Mercy, as in the beginning; yeah, in Christ, we were justified before we were even born. For do not the Scriptures say: “God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them” (2 Cor. 5:19)? This is not the justification which we receive by faith, but the one which took place before all faith…"

That's not God's grace??!

Dr. Lito Cruz defends Justification solely by faith alone using Scripture and the Lutheran Confessions.

It seems it takes a theology degree from a 'Lutheran' seminary to teach and confess the false gospel of UOJ.
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Brett Meyer (Brett_meyer)
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Mr. Mueller, does your version of the doctrine of UOJ teach that God justified the unbelieving world outside of His grace?

If that is true then God not only imputed Christ's righteousness without the Means of Grace but also forgave the unbelieving world without them being in His grace.

And you reject the charge of Enthusiasm? It is to laugh.
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George Mueller (Mueller)
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God justifies no one outside of his grace. The whole world has been justified by God's grace. Nobody but a believer stands in God's grace. Does this help?

I'm curious, Brett. You quoted this guy Cruz. Why? I had never heard of him before and now it appears that he was trained as a Calvinist. So why are you quoting a crypto-Calvinist to attack the Lutheran doctrine? What's even worse is that this guy criticizes us orthodox Lutherans for agreeing with Calvinists on the intensive perfection of the vicarious atonement! So he thinks that as a "Lutheran" he has to abandon, not only the errors of Calvinism, but the truth they teach as well!

George Rolf Preus Mueller is seriously handicapped by his lack of knowledge and dearth of reading. His first paragraph is a rat's nest of contradictions.

Dr. Lito Cruz has his own blog, and I often quote him. Cruz was once a Calvinist - that is one of the all-time favorite posts on Ichabod. When Lito Was a Calvinist has been read over 2000 times, roughly the same as LQ for a year. He is a Lutheran by conviction and by profession. The SpenerQuest denizens are Lutheran in Name Only, secret bed-fellows of the Universalists, scoundrels of the basest variety.

Samuel Huber was a Calvinist and became one again when allowed to join the Wittenberg faculty. He called his Lutheran opponents Calvinists when he reverted to Calvinism. That should sound familiar, since it is a favorite UOJ tactic. The UOJ Hive imagines that justification by faith is Calvinism, that justification without faith is Lutheran, that universal absolution is somehow different from Universalism. 

But - like I said - they linked McCain on their websty until they realized from my proof that their favorite editor is a thief and a liar.

McCain must be thankful his boss has a quickie drive-by doctorate. Otherwise the CEO might accuse McCain of intellectual fraud - not the best accusation to use at CPH.

George - or Rolf - should keep the lid on the airplane glue when he writes for SpenerQuest. I tried to parse his second paragraph and gave up in dismay.

This is George Mueller logic at its murkiest,
and yet it highlights justification by faith in a quirky way.
Justification is believing in the atonement of Christ,
as Luther and the Concordists always taught.

The UOJ Enthusiasts can lecture me on Biblical doctrine
once they have mastered John 16:8.