Tuesday, August 12, 2014

People Will Remember the Two Silver Marks and the COP for the Destruction of WELS


Mark Schroeder has become a trampoline for propelling Mark Jeske to greater heights. The Coven of Presidents deserves plenty of recognition too.

I have to play the role of Dean Wormer, spelling out a few truths - helping people to find the obvious facts that are all over the Net.

But it is a great way to get instant CRM status
and an even faster call to Texas.

Polluted WELS is doing a notable job in publishing good material and signed comments from various people.

WELS is 100% unionistic now. At the leadership level they work with the Lavender Mafia of ELCA. Through Thrivent they help fund Planned Parent abortions - and even worse - the hideous propaganda of that genocidal charity.

WELS is also unionistic because many of the members and pastors do not agree with the Jeske-Schroeder apostasy, but they remain. They give money to the great apostasy. They worship with the apostates and attend their odious meetings. They groan and complain - and yet remain.

Is this country free? Are people so afraid of men that they no longer tremble at God's Word? The desolating sacrilege has already been set up in front of the altar.



The DPs should shiver with terror when a layman shows his discernment of the Word.




Where's That Jolly Jumbuck You've Got in Your Tuckerbag?
You'll Come a Waltzing Matilda with Me

Worship does not have to be Christ-centered, Means of Grace, and dignified,
where we worship God in the beauty of His Holiness.
DP Degner has freed Minnesota of all that boring stuff.

Minnesota DP Charles Degner is one of the two DPs lined up
for the Jeske Mystical Experience.
Jon-Boy Buchholz bailed out.
Starting at the extreme Left: Jon-Boy, then Degner, Pope John's get-along go-along brother,
Mark-and-Avoid Jeske, Anti-Means of Grace Guy (Who Cares),
and SON.


http://pollutedwels.blogspot.com/2014/08/a-travesty-examined-part-nine.html


Blogger Mr. Douglas Lindee said...
Pilgrim Lutheran is the "St. Mark Church of DePere" of the Twin Cities. They have the full blessing of the DP. Always have. I recall, many years ago, a former pastor of mine returning from a service at Pilgrim, nearly livid. Not only was the band mounted in the front of the assembly area facing the audience -- in the location and orientation normally taken by Called Ministers of the Word as they address the congregation by the command and in the stead of Christ -- but members of that band would spontaneously preach their own mini-sermons to the congregation, or engage in impromptu "ex corde" prayer, on themes related to the subject of the music they were singing at the audience. Worse, the most dominant "worship minister" during his visit was one of the female vocalists... No problem with that sort of thing in the WELS anymore, though. Not in their district.

This "SON Band" looks pretty young. They must be new. Several years ago, it was the in-thing for older men to be leading these bands. At least there was some maturity present... HA! One woman from our congregation was mortified, however: "Look at these gray haired old men! With pony-tails and electric guitars!! In church!!! What a bunch of overgrown children!!!" Yeah, other guys that age just go out and buy a corvette... it's called mid-life crisis...

Anyway, the worship entertainment scene in the Twin Cities seems to be a fairly tight-knit. I have several evangelical friends and family members involved. Everyone seems to know everyone else, especially the groups that have been around awhile. I know that they often go places to hear each other play, will jam or practice together, will even flip gigs with each other and trade band members. I recall -- again, awhile back, now -- that there was a flap with one WELS band regarding this kind of involvement with Evangelical "worship ministers." Someone suggested that there might be a Fellowship issue involved by "worshiping" with, and "practicing for worship" with these other non-WELS, non-Lutheran "worship ministers", especially given that in many cases there was joint prayer and study of the Scriptures involved. The responses I heard were something like, "Na, we're just tradin' licks" or "Na, we're just bouncing musical ideas off one another" or "Don't you think they would benefit from the influence of a REAL Christian, I mean, like, you know, a WELS Lutheran?" or "It's our Evangelism ministry" or ... a whole host of excuses which made it very plain that (a) these musicians see very clearly that what they do is not worship, per se, it is entertainment in a worship venue, and that (b) these worship entertainers view themselves as Ministers of the Word. The only things that makes what they do "worship" is the venue (because if they did the same thing in a saloon they wouldn't see it as worship at all) and the fact that they have appointed themselves Ministers of the Word, and thus spiritual leaders of those they find themselves addressing through their entertainment efforts.
Conference of Presidents
The Conference of Presidents (COP) of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod is composed of the presidents of each of the twelve districts, plus the synod president, the first vice president, and the second vice president.  The WELS recording secretary serves as secretary and as an advisory member of the Conference of Presidents.

Members of the Conference of Presidents pictured:

Back row, from left:  Rev. Charles Degner (MN District), Rev. John Seifert (MI District), Rev. Donald Patterson (SC District), Rev. Ted Lambert (PNW District), Rev. Jon Buchholz (AZ-CA District), Rev. John Guse (SA District), Rev. Douglas Engelbrecht (NW District) and Rev. David Rutschow (SEW District)
Front row, from left:  Rev. Peter Naumann (D-M District), Rev. Earle Treptow (NE District), Rev. James Huebner (First Vice President), Rev. Mark Schroeder (President), Rev. Joel Voss (Second Vice President), Rev Herbert Prahl (WW District), Rev. Donald Tollefson (NA District), and Rev. Robert Pasbrig (Recording Secretary)

Each of the district presidents also serves as a parish pastor and is responsible for supervision of doctrine and practice within his district.  The district presidents authorize ordinations and installations in the district, record transfers, and report calls and service changes. They supervise circuit pastors and fill vacancies on district boards and committees.  They chair their district conventions at least biennially. No one is in state prison at the moment.

The Conference of Presidents serves as the Assignment Committee, assigning first calls to graduates of Martin Luther College and Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary.  They also assign vicars and tutors. The Conference of Presidents approves the solicitation of funds for support of synodical programs.  They make necessary appointments as prescribed by the synod bylaws.  The COP appoints the contributing editors of Forward in Christ magazine. 

The group generally meets face-to-face four times per year.  In addition, they hold monthly teleconferences and members keep each other informed of what is happening in the districts via regular e-mail contact.




More Nausea from the UOJ Stormtroopers - WELS and CLC.
One Voice, One Falsehood, One Father Below



This message is delivered in dulcet tones, normally reserved for TV ads about funeral parlors and those delicate items certain people need.

Peace - in Aiken South Carolina. Look at his wife and child - they root for the local football team. See their jerseys. Did Paul cheer for the gladiators of Corinth and don their livery? Why doesn't Jonathan?

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Paul Tiefel is perfect for the CLC (sic).


The CLC (sic) website features a video by Pastor Paul Tiefel, first cousin James Tiefel of WELS. The CLC clergy are still re-living the 1950s. Both Tiefels are nicknamed "Teufel" or devil by those who know them best.

Lacking any Gospel at all, this Mormon-like recital about Holy Mother Sect declares that the whole world has been justified (without faith). L. W. Schierenbeck declares that as a logical conclusion. My wording - "He has died for the ungodly. The world is ungodly. The world is justified."


The Lutheran sects in America today,
working together to promote universal salvation.


Polluted in WELS - Son-Burnt Experience


Worshipful Master is the Sun in the East -
Masonic Lodge lore.
mndp@wels.net
Mark.Schroeder@wels.net

Here is your chance, especially the anonymous commenters of this and other blogs, and particularly the anonymous commenters who claim these blogs don't do anything but bellyache. The first email address above is for District President Charles Degner, the remaining DP holdout participating in the 2015 Christian Leadership Experience. The second is President Schroeder's email address. Send an email urging DP Degner's withdrawal from the 2015 Christian Leadership Experience. Mine has already been sent. 

Sorry, but it will be difficult for you to do this and remain anonymous. And yes, there are risks involved. 

Vernon
August 13, 2014 at 1:35 PM


A Travesty Examined, Part Nine

The "worship music" at the Christian Leadership Experience's ecumenical worship services will be provided by the SON Band. The SON Band is associated with Pilgrim Lutheran Church in Minneapolis. They play for Pilgrim's contemporary worship service entitled "The SON Experience".

Pilgrim's website provides links to videos of the SON Experience. You can find themhere. I haven't had a chance to watch all of the videos in their entirety, but what I've seen is extremely concerning. 

"Experience!"


Most concerning is a "SON Message" in which Dr. Scott Gostchock (who is not a pastor) preaches a "sermon" in which he states the following: 
  • It isn't good enough to preach God's Word from the Bible because that's just "words on a page". 
  • We must somehow "experience" God's presence apart from those words on a page.
  • It's not the job of the church to condemn sin.
The entire "sermon" is pure enthusiasm--the teaching that one must experience God's presence apart from Word and Sacrament. 




If you watch the video, notice how many times Gostchock uses the word experience. Notice that this takes place during a service called The SON Experience. Notice that Gostchock will be speaking and the SON Band will be performing at something called the Christian Leadership Experience.

This is clear proof that the Church Growth leaders within the WELS have traded a theology centered on the Means of Grace for a theology centered on human experience and emotion.

A member of the Synodical Council (WELS)
and Don Patterson's parish said this.








Anonymous said...








I didn't manage to get all the way through Gostchock's "Community in Christ" message. I stopped around 2:22. Maybe he was speaking poorly (in which case, shame on him) or maybe he really is wishy-washy on the Trinity (in which case, a lot of shame of him) but he talked about God having three distinct beings, parts, pieces...

This runs counter to Col. 2:9 "For in Christ all the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form..."
Jesus is truly 100% true God. He is not a part of or just one third God.
Same with the Father. He is truly 100% true God. Not just one third God.
And Same with the Spirit. He is 100% true God.

Yet, paraphrasing the Athanasian Creed, we do not have 300%. We do not have three Gods, but one God.

Nor do we have a piecemeal God.

He would have best said that there are three distinct persons in the Trinity and left it at that.

I paused writing this and listened to the speech a little more. I get what he's trying to do. He doesn't want Christians who just sit there and read the Bible and are separate from their fellow Christians. But the way he gets to that point feels very wrong. Claiming that the Bible isn't enough and we need to look at each other and see Christ "in us" is so very dangerous. Schwaermer-enthusiasm.
August 12, 2014 at 12:01 PM
Blogger Henry Town said...
With his message Mr. Gostchock wanted to talk about "community." How he ever got that from the text he read is unbelievable. In fact, after the initial minute or two he simply left the text behind and spoke about what he wanted to speak about. Might this best describe the CGM movement in WELS, GIA particularly?
August 12, 2014 at 12:35 PM
Blogger AP said...
"We need to experience God's presence among us...sometimes that comes from just this overwhelming sense of peace...sometimes it comes from the warm embrace of a friend...sometimes it comes from us giving to others. We need to experience that love of God...its more than just words on paper."

These words are taken directly from the linked video. I also see what the speaker is attempting to communicate, which I think is the need to have a living, active faith. That is a fine thing to have an active faith, but any real faith is bound to be active through the work of the Holy Spirit. If faith is not active, it is probably because it has been starved of the things it needs to live and grow--the Means of Grace.

The linked sermon sounds like pure Pietism to me. Read Jacob Spener and you will see the exact same sentiments: use methods to encourage holy living, which is the only real measure of one's true Christianity.

I do agree though. It is not about just "words on a page" because God's Holy Word is not just "words on a page. To apply such a flippant remark to the Holy Word of God is very dangerous. Again, we are talking about the very word of God, the mighty double-edged sword that always has effect and needs no help from our pathetic efforts to be more effective. We experience God's presence among us in Word and Sacrament, not in feel-good, happy-clappy emotional and enthusiast worship.

AP
Anonymous said...
As a female lay person, I would like to know more from the
learned men here on this blog about this SON group and situation. This is a sincere statement.

When planning a wedding in a WELS congregation, the participants of the service, including the soloist, organist, etc are required to be in affiliation. I adhered, without issue, to this when making my own wedding preparations several years ago.

Reviewing the SON Experience and their website, I see no connection that these are WELS members. Have things changed and it is acceptable to have services, without confessional members within or associated with WELS, providing the music? I don't see a separation form Pilgrim Lutheran and S.O.N. One can only assume they are affiliated.

This group proclaims their Vision as: "Savior of the Nations services through the power of the Spirit will reach and teach the Twin Cities one soul at a time through God's elect."

I viewed their individual biographical information at:
http://www.sonexperience.com/whoweare.html

And that's where my questions and concerns are--their biographies. Do we now avoid or delete any religious education? Otherwise, I'm sure there are much more talented starving artists that I can get together and play and sing off a sheet of music. Executive Director Dr. Scott Gostchock lists no affiliations in his brief bio. Just a minister. My question is where, when, for how long? These have to be my questions. My Christian upbringing told me to ask.

Or is mute because they are reaching out to the unchurched. But they don't say unchurched...they say one soul at a time. That one soul includes me. Do I join in service with a minister whose anonymous experience is with a Methodist or Presbyterian church? Or is it even a church service and none of this applies because its an experience.

The responses to my verbal questions about these blogs are Don't read, stay away, or just shake their head...they fail to realize that Google, Yahoo, and ever other search engine will spider these pages faster than they can tell me what or why to avoid. But I'm reading supporting documentation. I see no vagueness here; but I do see it on the S.O.N. biographies. From rationalwiki: Lying by omission, otherwise known as exclusionary detailing, is lying by either omitting certain facts or by failing to correct a misconception.

I enjoy reading your views on a much higher level than mine so forgive a more simplistic view of this group and issue. I'm learning with your responses to each other. May the Lord bless me and keep me and I continue to do so.
August 12, 2014 at 3:18 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
^ *as (not and) I continue to do so.
August 12, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Der Schwarz Schaf said...
Pastor Flack (if I may be so bold as to address you in such manner) - Thank you for once again doing the job that the synod should be doing and do not, will not, or cannot. Why is it that so many of these churches/conferences/pastors, etc... are not properly vetted? Who's minding the store? Why is it people must find out about such crap as goes on at Pilgrim, and this insane leadershi* meeting from an anonymous blog, rather than the District and Synod Presidents? Older WELS pastor have told me in the past that they were proud to be "ragged individuals," and to both stay out of neighboring pastors' business, and insist that they stay out of theirs. Everyone was - and still is - very afraid of being known as a "busy-body in another man's parish." They are more afraid of that than of false teaching or false teachers! How foolish and stupid! And irresponsible! What does the body have leaders for in the first place but to monitor doctrine and practice? I'm so glad I am no longer a part of this mess of a church! Sad for those still stuck in it.
August 12, 2014 at 3:48 PM
GJ - You are so wrong, Black Sheep. WELS pastors meddle unlike any other breed I have seen (except Paul Tiefel in the CLC - he should transfer). WELS ministers think they are the pastor of their previous congregations and any other congregation where they have friends or relatives. The District Popes and their assistants are even worse, meddling to make sure the evil and the corrupt triumph in each and every case. See the Anything Goes District for examples, Deputy Doug and Zank the Rank.




Anonymous Anonymous said...
Female lay person: they are all WELS. Pilgrim is WELS. The Pilgrim website lists this affiliation, and also links to a WELS statement of beliefs.
August 12, 2014 at 5:14 PM
GJ - I don't have their playing schedule, but I am betting they market themselves to all groups, all denominations. Jeske's disciples follow him in this regard - and there is a lot more loot for everyone this way. 
Koine charges $3,000 just to show up. So yes, they are unionistic. So are y'all, because you reject this but stay in WELS.
Blogger Vernon Knepprath said...
Regarding Anonymous comments at 5:14 PM:

Yes, Pilgrim Lutheran is WELS. If you dig on the web site, you might find it, eventually.

Check the home page. Nothing on it about WELS. In fact, you have to look pretty hard to know it is even Lutheran. Check the header. "Pilgrim" in extra large font. "Lutheran" is in tiny font beneath it. Go to the bottom of the home page. "Pilgrim Church and School"! Where is the "Lutheran"?

Is this what it means to be confessional Lutheran? To hide the fact that you are Lutheran? There is no confession here. This is Church Growth; to hide the fact that you are Lutheran.
Check the "About" page. Look long and hard to find "Lutheran" or "WELS".

We did a project on Intrepid about WELS Church home pages several months back. A number of people scoffed about the study and what we found. What we found is that more and more WELS congregations are suppressing the fact that they are WELS ... or even Lutheran.

Where do you think this comes from? It comes from the likes of the 2015 Christian Leadership Experience.

Lay people of the WELS, wake up!
August 12, 2014 at 6:50 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Woman principal?
August 12, 2014 at 6:58 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
From http://www.pilgrimonline.net/home/140000430/140000430/docs/Vision%20for%20Tomorrow.ppt

Pilgrim saw unprecedented growth
because of the inspired vision of its Pastors and members.
August 12, 2014 at 7:10 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm not a member of Pilgrim and agree with most of the thoughts on this blog. I do not find that Pilgrim is hiding the WELS affiliation. I often look at other churches websites and if the affiliation is not on the first page then I go to the "Links" tab or the "About us- What do we Believe" section. BOTH had the WELS affiliation clearly listed. Lets not make this something it isn't. Focus on the band, the style, the message, those are worthwhile discussions but Pilgrim's website doesn't look like it is purposely hiding it's (sic) affiliation.
August 12, 2014 at 7:24 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Scott Gostchock
Director of Christian Development

"I work with development issues for the church and school. My current duties involve supervision of curriculum and instruction, assistance with church and school administration, and exploration of developmental possibilities throughout the community and abroad.

My goal here at Pilgrim is to help all people to see Jesus. Through educational efforts, community service projects, and much more, it is my hope that I can serve you in a personally meaningful way."

http://www.pilgrimschoolonline.net/site/leaderdisplay.asp?leader_id=140005293&sec_id=140006190

Blogger Mr. Douglas Lindee said...
Pilgrim Lutheran is the "St. Mark Church of DePere" of the Twin Cities. They have the full blessing of the DP. Always have. I recall, many years ago, a former pastor of mine returning from a service at Pilgrim, nearly livid. Not only was the band mounted in the front of the assembly area facing the audience -- in the location and orientation normally taken by Called Ministers of the Word as they address the congregation by the command and in the stead of Christ -- but members of that band would spontaneously preach their own mini-sermons to the congregation, or engage in impromptu "ex corde" prayer, on themes related to the subject of the music they were singing at the audience. Worse, the most dominant "worship minister" during his visit was one of the female vocalists... No problem with that sort of thing in the WELS anymore, though. Not in their district.

This "SON Band" looks pretty young. They must be new. Several years ago, it was the in-thing for older men to be leading these bands. At least there was some maturity present... HA! One woman from our congregation was mortified, however: "Look at these gray haired old men! With pony-tails and electric guitars!! In church!!! What a bunch of overgrown children!!!" Yeah, other guys that age just go out and buy a corvette... it's called mid-life crisis...

Anyway, the worship entertainment scene in the Twin Cities seems to be a fairly tight-knit. I have several evangelical friends and family members involved. Everyone seems to know everyone else, especially the groups that have been around awhile. I know that they often go places to hear each other play, will jam or practice together, will even flip gigs with each other and trade band members. I recall -- again, awhile back, now -- that there was a flap with one WELS band regarding this kind of involvement with Evangelical "worship ministers." Someone suggested that there might be a Fellowship issue involved by "worshiping" with, and "practicing for worship" with these other non-WELS, non-Lutheran "worship ministers", especially given that in many cases there was joint prayer and study of the Scriptures involved. The responses I heard were something like, "Na, we're just tradin' licks" or "Na, we're just bouncing musical ideas off one another" or "Don't you think they would benefit from the influence of a REAL Christian, I mean, like, you know, a WELS Lutheran?" or "It's our Evangelism ministry" or ... a whole host of excuses which made it very plain that (a) these musicians see very clearly that what they do is not worship, per se, it is entertainment in a worship venue, and that (b) these worship entertainers view themselves as Ministers of the Word. The only things that makes what they do "worship" is the venue (because if they did the same thing in a saloon they wouldn't see it as worship at all) and the fact that they have appointed themselves Ministers of the Word, and thus spiritual leaders of those they find themselves addressing through their entertainment efforts.
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Grace in Action - The Next Disciple - 
One of Many WELS Shrinker Websties
Dr. Scott Gostchock
Executive Director

Personal Bio: Dr. Scott Gostchock, in addition to serving as the Executive Director for GIA, serves as a site director for Pilgrim Church and School in South Minneapolis, a nonprofit specializing in urban education and multicultural programming. He has served cross-cultural, inner city, urban education as a teacher and administrator for 15 years. He also is teaching online and on campus for a number of different colleges and universities in training teachers and leaders for urban education and leadership.


office # 612-825-5375 ext. 106


Academic Degrees:
EdD Nova Southeastern University, Ft. Lauderdale FL: Educational Leadership and Administration
MEd Brenau University, Dacatur (sic - MLC spelling) GA: Educational Leadership and Human Resource Management

BS Dr. Martin Luther College, New Ulm MN: Education


Melanchthon said...on the Polluted WELS Blog
Certainly not a pastor, and I would say not really a "Dr." either.

I see that Mr. Gostchock holds an "EdD" from Nova Southeastern University, well known for quickie online "doctorates" and very popular in the WELS. No scholarly work that I can find anyplace: zero hits in ProQuest, and zero hits in Google Scholar to his own work.

Pumpkin in the Compost

Part II can be found here.

A pumpkin has sprouted from my compost. I am not surprised since I planted many seeds in there. The dry weather may have kept the compost from providing enough moisture to keep them all going. Some people water their compost in dry weather, since that keeps the decomposition more active.

I will start watering the pumpkin, because it will be fun to watch it climb out of the compost and trail across the ground.

The fence garden has warty gourd vines and pumpkins growing on it. The gourds are already forming. Pole beans have climbed the fence, using graceful tendrils, bloomed and started fruiting. The pumpkins and gourds use larger supports since they have more weight to support.

Unfortunately, my neighbor's gate adjoins our fence, so the climbing plants are wrapping themselves around the gate too, the only way to access the yard for mowing. I am picturing the mowers' dismay when green vines are impeding the gate. But they can tear the vines, which grow back soon enough. The gate will be de-vine.

Our helper complained of weeds in the roses. "Where did we go wrong?" I suggested that we left too much room in the newspaper layer for the witchgrass to grow through. But weed seeds can also land on top of the mulch and grow in the sunshine, rain, and watering.

"Everyone would be a gardener if there were no weeds," I solemnly declared. He trimmed while I pulled witchgrass, devilish stuff but easy to grab. The only problem is finding the end of it. I will dump the pile of witchgrass in a corner of the sunny garden, where crabgrass is rampant. Some trimming and extra shade will suppress it the crabgrass.

Those who want to burn weeds with fire are going to set something ablaze sooner or later. Weed seeds are in the air and soil at all times. The best approach to weeds is to kill off noxious weeds like poison ivy and re-purpose the rest.

I found some beautiful specimens of pigweed last night. I showed them to our helper before I composted them. "They are edible and have good nutrition," I said helpfully. He responded, "I will rely on groceries, until the apocalypse. I can eat pigweed then." The name does not help.

There is a good title - Apocalypse Gardening Book - Nutritious Weeds for the Discerning. Free Supplement - How To Treat Poison Ivy.

Our lawn and rose garden looked great when we were done. Our neighbor with the viney gate was not being visited by her crew, so we mowed her front lawn too.

My friends are sending me photos of exotic sites and natural wonders they are visiting for their vacation trips. I am glad for that, since I get to see the same sites for free. But I find plenty of natural wonders in the backyard and rose garden.

Gardeners get endless pleasure from seeing how quickly a little labor is turned into food, flowers, enough to enjoy and to share. We took Sunday's flowers to the gardening neighbor. His wife is crazy about roses. Mrs. Ichabod handed the vase to him and said, "Your wife might like a few roses. She might guess where they came from." He grinned. We had large purple roses, an orange rose, and several magenta Knock Out roses in the base.

Bees are working the roses, sunflowers, and gourd flowers. That made me think of the night pollinators. They work on colorless but perfumed flowers. In the starlight and moonlight, there is no color to rely on, so these creatures focus on aroma. Besides, the white flowers show up better in dim light. Who worked that out, I wonder? Did the plants have a convention and vote to go AM or PM? If so, the animals, like bats, had to know where they were welcome to browse and transfer pollen.

Creation declares itself at every step of gardening. Mulching and composting do their work according to principles established by the Creating Word. Nothing was created apart from Him - John 1.

The warty gourd clan is valuable for cornucopia displays.
Later the dry seeds inside make good noise-makers.






A Double-Minded Man Is Unstable in All His Ways

The Silver Marks:
Jeske, Schroeder, and Driscoll -
also sing in perfect harmony.


Polluted WELS Blog has gone silent for five days. His big target was the Jeske Mystical Experience, formerly known as Change or Die! conferences. No one took much notice of them, so Jeske expanded the numbers and loot involved.

Some are expecting me to criticize PW for not blogging every day. I do not know anything about him, and I have no contacts at all with him. He has already done a lot of good by telling the truth about WELS - from the inside.

I see almost no follow-up among those who agree with him. I am not criticizing those who have posted with their names, but the hundreds who have done nothing at all.

Jon-Boy Buchholz, who can walk through a septic tank and call it a lake, bailed out quickly. He obviously felt the heat. One little blog had an effect because the truth divides the liars from the rest.

Unfortunately, the divide-and-conquer method of WELS has also been effective. Individuals are divided against themselves.

James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

The inner debate continues.