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Saturday, December 5, 2015

Another Hilarious Thread Where a Stephanite Argues in Favor of Universalism and Against Justification by Faith



Romans 423 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. KJV

Even the New NIV makes it fairly clear, in spite of corrupting the translation.

Romans 4:23 The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification. New NIV

Here are some of the graphics, full size -








Rich Heinz Back to my initial point, my hypothesis is that abandoning the violet made it easier to dispense with Advent themes. It just seems more awkward to push to light a Christmas tree in the chancel on Ad Te Levavi of the altar is adorned in violet than if it has blue. Maybe it's pure coincidence, but as a youth, when they brought in the new color was about the same time of the push for Christmas starting in church on December 1st.
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Gregory L. Jackson Phooey Rich. Colors are not efficacious. Lutherans teach against faith so apostasy follows.
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William J. Orr And your point is?
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Gregory L. Jackson Read the ridiculous statement by Scaer. That is all Missouri, WELS, and the Little Sect on the Prairie have to offer today. Thus, McCain too, your overpaid and underworked CPH editor.
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William J. Orr So which denomination do you claim?
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Gregory L. Jackson Luther's and Chemnitz' - The Church of the Augsburg Confession.
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William J. Orr You didn't answer my question. Your congregation belongs to what denomination?
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Gregory L. Jackson I did. You are welcome to join. No hazing. No fees. No meddling in your congregation. You just have to agree with the Augsburg Confession, especially the Chief Article - justification by faith.
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Gregory L. Jackson That means repudiating Objective Justification.
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William J. Orr My guess is that you are from ELDONA.
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Gregory L. Jackson You are wrong. Church of the Augsburg Confession.
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Gregory L. Jackson Many in Missouri and some in WELS belong.
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William J. Orr Whatever. You are trolling for a fight. Not taking the bait.
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Gregory L. Jackson The Augsburg Confession is offensive to many nominal Lutherans. The ELCA effect. Lie down with ELCA, get up with apostasy. Thank you Thrivent.
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Gregory L. Jackson Luther paraphrasing Paul.
Gregory L. Jackson's photo.

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William J. Orr I agree with Kilcrease and Scaer. You're wrong.
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Gregory L. Jackson It figures, Orr. I agree with St. Paul and the Holy Spirit.
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William J. Orr No, you really don't.
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Gregory L. Jackson I would rather appeal to the Word of God than to the authoirty of an ELCA trained part-time instructor who now teaches at an ELCA online school. That says volumes about your precious argument, Orr.
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William J. Orr Robert Preus, David Scaer, Kurt Marquardt and all orthodox theologians confess that Christ in the atoned for the sins of the whole world that is objective justification. It is the biblical teaching of the Church.
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William J. Orr The meme with Scaer on it accurately describes anyone who denies the biblical and confessional teaching of objective justification. Justification by Grace through Faith without the full payment for sins by the Son of God is not justifying faith. It is faith in faith itself. Your arguments and memes and website are tired, unconvincing and incoherent.
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Gregory L. Jackson You mean Luther's are. I will pick Luther over Scaer any day. And Paul over Kilcrease. And the Holy Spirit over McCain.

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Very important to note - 
This is Luther in the graphic below,
explaining what Paul is saying 
about justification by faith. 

This Galatians Commentary by Luther 
is the very book 
the Book of Concord commends 
for the study of justification.