People have voiced their conclusion, separately, that the apostates will win in WELS. One is a pastor. Several are layman. The laymen think the Chicaneries are too entrenched to uproot.
The political component is impossible to ignore. The WELS school system, ever since Ted Hartwig infected it at Mary Lou College, is consistently liberal. Closing Northwestern College was a successful (albeit crooked) attempt to end a conservative bastion in WELS. Even then, NWC was not exactly a fortress of orthodoxy, and the faculty members were too timid to fight for their cause. Is MLC stronger because of that merger? It is weaker and more apostate, just like the Andover-Newton-Colgate-Rochester-Crozer-etc-Divinity School.
My take - MLC, Bethany, and WLC will not survive as separate entities and they know it.
The only way to get rid of the apostates would be to end the teacher vote that supports spineless and two-faced Doctrinal Pussycats. The largest WELS state has the most parochial and Area Lutheran High School teachers - also the worst DPs. And that is saying something! In the unlikely event of DP removal, the teachers will vote in another set of banana DPs - yellow, green, and just plain rotten.
If the teacher vote is not neutralized, the only other solution is the demolition of the WELS schools, from pre-K to the Sausage Factory. An outsider can see that their educational system only serves to promote the mainline cause, creeping apostasy. I do not think the CG gurus in WELS will become Pentecostal and perform fake miracles. I know some have turned Pentecostal. The majority will become honest atheists, like Curtis Peterson, Robert Schumann, and Mark Freier. The Chicaneries are already mainline, unionistic apostates. They are only one step from heart-felt, compassionate atheism.
As Brett Meyer noted, the pipeline is full of students trained in apostasy, too full of themselves to know it. Reflecting the in-your-face attitude of MLC, the vidiot students could not even fake contrition. Instead, they "forgave" those who did not appreciate them out-outting the Fire Island boys.
Here are additional factors militating against any real change in WELS, which is currently an unimportant nub in the Fuller Seminary mainline network:
- Holy Mother WELS is infallible so any criticism is harmful to the institution, especially when it is valid, scholarly, confessional criticism.
- Too many people are closely related or friends through school, so that makes it difficult to drop the hammer on the guilty, even when found with a murdered spouse.
- Thrivent unites Lutherans in ELCA, Missouri, WELS, the ELS, and the CLC (sic), a built-in and cleverly funded pan-Lutheran union.
- Few are educated in the Confessions.
- Even fewer are inclined to fight for the pure Word. That generation is the WWII generation. The Boomers are too lax and self-centered to shed a drop of blood for doctrine.
- Hardly anyone is in shape for the fight.
In the long run, we all have to face our mortality and the Day of Judgment. I wonder - how much will the size the buildings and parking lots matter before the Throne of Grace? Can someone despise the Means of Grace, mocking the Word, and cop a plea at the last minute, based on statistics?
Lutheran pastors crow about numbers and say nothing about being faithful to the Word of God. "Join us - we are friendly and successful: watch us grow."
One thing is needful, and you have chosen wrong, WELS.
8 comments:
"As Brett Meyer noted, the pipeline is full of students trained in apostasy, too full of themselves to know it. Reflecting the in-your-face attitude of MLC, the vidiot students could not even fake contrition. Instead, they "forgave" those who did not appreciate them out-outting the Fire Island boys."
Unfortunately this describes a number of young pastors, too.
Hey Professor,
When is a council going to be held?
Things need to be shaken up. Those who adhere to the Confessions need to collectively leave (whatever Synod they belong to). Missouri and WELS and others still possess Confessional pastors--these guys need to be in contact with each other.
Is it more important what acronym IDs your church, or is it more important what confession you publicly proclaim? I truly believe that if many WELS pastors could diminish their concern for the WELS institution, reapportioning that concern for Doctrine, a Confessional body could emerge from the fray.
IF you subscribe to the Lutheran Confessions as correct exposition of Scripture why do you care about affiliation?
Lutherans have become money blind to the point that their money given to Thrivent is going to support the murder of unborn and unwanted babies.
http://www.cogforlife.org/ppsupporters.htm
Thrivent Financial for Lutherans is listed as a company that matches financial gifts to Planned Parenthood.
"As Brett Meyer noted, the pipeline is full of students trained in apostasy, too full of themselves to know it. Reflecting the in-your-face attitude of MLC, the vidiot students could not even fake contrition. Instead, they "forgave" those who did not appreciate them out-outting the Fire Island boys."
The self-righteousness of typical MLCers just plain stinks. They lack the humility to admit when they are wrong, and courtesy to apologize.
"Even fewer are inclined to fight for the pure Word. That generation is the WWII generation. The Boomers are too lax and self-centered to shed a drop of blood for doctrine."
Wow. A little extreme?
The closing of NWC and its forced permanent exile to New Ulm was to save the WELS money (as was the closure of WLC (WELS ownership), NLA, DMLHS, and MLPS. The promise from the shrinkers was that the DMLC/NWC merger would not cost the WELS budget any money. However, when the truth came out, the most current internal debt within the synod was this merger debt from more than fifteen years ago. That necessitated the 20 some million dollar offering a year ago.
Thrivent is just an insurance company with a dumb name. Why is it that it is now believed by some that it promotes apostasy? I wonder where this wacky idea comes from. I guess that my inquiry is directed to Mr. Meyer rather than GJ.
Norman Teigen
ELS layman
(I am now an official spokesman for the ELS)
Norm, just how you can still bring yourself to commune at any ELS/WELS church Altar is beyond my comprehension. (Ditto applies to Missouri,& CoLC).
The same must also be said of any and all lay or pastoral synodical contributors on this blogsite; without distinction..
Is it not supremely sleepy (the very heighth of self-deception)to believe one may - with impunity -continue on in communing, that is, remain in the same stall with (be and remain in full Altar & Pulpit Fellowship (Church Fellowship) with, ALL inside WEL/ELS ?.... knowingly aware of all the many shenannigins/ingrained false doctrine being taught and practised (as more than clearly proved on Ichabod's website),...all the while as I say, aware, yet nevertheless ignoring, that there IS NO evident will on the part of ANYone, ANYwhere, to rise up and do ANYthing about it ?!
Who shall point to ANY due doctrinal Scriptural discipline being applied to attempt cleaning things up, in either the ELS or WELS ? (Please, no-one from WELs quote Schroeder to me...Sure,one prays for him still, but thus far the man is ALL TALK and NO ACTION AT ALL).
You, yourself, Norm, appear rather proud in every posting signing off that: "I am now an official spokesman for the ELS".
What you so proudly glory in, Norm, I only see as to your shame.
The Apostle Paul teaches us "a LITTLE leaven leaveneth the WHOLE"....What then, will our Lord Jesus Christ say, about the LOADS of LEAVEN He for years has witnessed driving the "Lutheran" synods into the great ecumenical apostasy unchecked ?
A serious/contemplative reading of Chapters 1 - 3; particularly chapters 2-3 of THE REVELATION of the Apostle John may assist. There, Jesus speaks plainly to the seven churches, and makes more than clear what His attitude is...There, He both rebukes as well as inspires we who ARE His, in the way He, who is the Lord of HIS church, would have us go...in the times "which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth" (KJV 3: 10b).
Confessing Orthodox Lutheran
KJV REVELATIONS 3: 19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
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