Tuesday, November 16, 2010

The So-Called Intrepid Lutherans Blocked This Comment from Their Blog

L. P. Cruz, PhD, Extra Nos blogger, former Calvinist


Pr. Greg,

What is happening in the IL UOJ discussion is the same thing I have seen in some sections of Calvinism. For example, in Calvinism, there is a movement called Federal Vision. This view advocates an understanding of the sacraments which is similar to the Lutheran position. However, FV people could not cross the line where the Lutherans are, no matter how hard they try. It is because their feet are bolted down to the light post of Calvin. Almost there but not quite.

So now I look at what Rydecki is doing with UOJ at IL and I see the same thing as what is happening in Calvinism regarding certain concepts and teachings. At IL you find a critique of UOJ done by the left hand only to be re-inserted back again by the right hand. Marquart was guilty of the same blunder in calling what Jesus did as Objective Justification. Hence, Rydecki wants to correct and present a proper version of UOJ so that the concept may be saved from sinking but does not quite make it. It is because UOJ/OJ is riddled with unBiblical terminology. It is like the Titanic, everyone knows it is down there at the bottom of the ocean but no one likes to raise it up again.

Marquart's paper was one of the first ones I read in regards to this controversy, I winded up shelving it because he did not arrive at the best conclusion, the ditching of UOJ/OJ both as a term and as a concept.

Also I find it intriguing that UOJ has similar fate and destiny as those concepts I saw in Calvinism. UOJers call anti-UOJ people Calvinists. Unfortunately UOJ people do not know Calvinism even if they have dinner with it.

LPC